Vaccine or not?

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ButchPlz said:
You didn't ask. You accused me, several times in a row now.

You're a reactionary fool that thinks PolitiFact is a reasonable source.

Do I believe everyone will have "AIDS" by the middle of this month? I never made that claim, I don't believe it, and you trying to conflate my stance that there are questions to be answered on the real impact of the vax on the immune system is disingenuous gaslighting ******** at best. The truth is, we do have an argument. Because you're doing nothing but blustering about internet theories and inserting yourself in places you clearly don't belong.
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You have an argument for what?
 
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Sea Ray said:
How many patients have you seen that developed VAIDS?
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23 year old with liver cancer that was completely aggressive. November diagnosis death in March. Triple shot last year June/July. Died of liver failure.

47 yr old Triple shot cancer pt in remission for 5 years. 4 months after shots came back full blown with Mets to liver and lungs. Death in March.

52 year old with polycycstic renal disease. Entire abdomen loaded with cysts from side to side. Previous ct showed 6 months ago they were contained to kidneys. 5 months after vaccination they are throughout her entire abdomen and pelvis. That one was extremely weird.

Any other examples I might offer have a source of sepsis.

I’m wondering why ask for anecdotal cases?
 
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ButchPlz said:
I literally work with a guy that goes to NIH every quarter to have this exact thing studied and to receive experimental treatments (that seem to work well) for his condition. I can't remember the full name, but it contains "immuno-deficiency disorder" in it. He always has to clarify for people that it isn't spreadable, because the first thing that comes to mind for people is HIV/AIDS.

Corporal PolitiFact here links to media articles trying to gaslight everyone into believing immuno-deficiency disorders can only come from HIV.
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There are several other sources.
 
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ButchPlz said:
You didn't ask. You accused me, several times in a row now.

You're a reactionary fool that thinks PolitiFact is a reasonable source.

Do I believe everyone will have "AIDS" by the middle of this month? I never made that claim, I don't believe it, and you trying to conflate my stance that there are questions to be answered on the real impact of the vax on the immune system is disingenuous gaslighting ******** at best. The truth is, we do have an argument. Because you're doing nothing but blustering about internet theories and inserting yourself in places you clearly don't belong.
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Sea Ray said:
So you don't want to answer. OK, thanks Ketanji Brown Jackson
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Since I am not allowed to point out what you are when you choose to not read, I'll just quote it here for you.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
23 year old with liver cancer that was completely aggressive. November diagnosis death in March. Triple shot last year June/July. Died of liver failure.

47 yr old Triple shot cancer pt in remission for 5 years. 4 months after shots came back full blown with Mets to liver and lungs. Death in March.

52 year old with polycycstic renal disease. Entire abdomen loaded with cysts from side to side. Previous ct showed 6 months ago they were contained to kidneys. 5 months after vaccination they are throughout her entire abdomen and pelvis. That one was extremely weird.

Any other examples I might offer have a source of sepsis.

I’m wondering why ask for anecdotal cases?
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So none of those were considered vaccine induced AIDS? Either way it's got to be extremely rare. Any publication that states "all" 19-39 yr olds will have no immune system by February or April is so off that anything else it says should be discounted
 
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VolinWayne said:
Yes. That's what the data is suggesting.
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No clinical evidence has shown any link between COVID-19 vaccines and AIDs and global health authorities have dismissed the claims.
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Debunked: COVID-19 vaccines do not create variants of HIV/AIDS

There is no scientific evidence to back a widely shared claim on social media that Covid boosters can lead to HIV, a supposition attributed to French virologist Luc Montagnier, say experts.
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Hiv Positive: Covid boosters leading to positive HIV test? Experts debunk claim - The Economic Times
 
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Sea Ray said:
So none of those were considered vaccine induced AIDS? Either way it's got to be extremely rare. Any publication that states "all" 19-39 yr olds will have no immune system by February or April is so off that anything else it says should be discounted
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If this continues at the current rate then all triple vaccinated 18 to 39-year-olds will have 100% immune system degradation by the middle of April 2022, with all other triple vaccinated age-groups following suit not long after.
Might help if you quote the entire paragraph.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Debunked: COVID-19 vaccines do not create variants of HIV/AIDS



Hiv Positive: Covid boosters leading to positive HIV test? Experts debunk claim - The Economic Times
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First of all, nowhere in the article I quoted did it say anything about positive HIV tests. We are talking about Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS) is the disease. HIV is Human Immunodeficiency Virus(HIV) and is the causal factor (reason) for AIDS.

I might also add that nowhere in the Economic Times article did it actually debunk that the covid boosters are causing Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS). All it did was quoted a few experts who said they didn't think this was possible. Who gets to decide who is the expert now?? What makes your "experts" more reliable then the experts who have studied and diagnosed the public data from the health department.

I get so tired of people like you who immediately try to dismiss and write off all studies that come out that goes against the accepted narrative of mainstream media as "far right-wing propoganda". Whatever happened to presenting information and simply allowing people to look at information and decide for themselves what's right for them. People like you are nothing more then modern day nazis
 
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VolinWayne said:
If this continues at the current rate then all triple vaccinated 18 to 39-year-olds will have 100% immune system degradation by the middle of April 2022, with all other triple vaccinated age-groups following suit not long after.
Might help if you quote the entire paragraph.
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I read the paragraph and it's still bunk
 
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Sea Ray said:
Tell me in a week or so why it didn't continue at the current rate and why 100% don't have AIDS
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I definitely don't think that 100% will have aids. It clearly said "if". Here's a pretty good explanation by Dr. Malone on how this is happening.

The Vaccines Are Causing a Form of AIDS - Dr. Robert Malone

We have lots of scientific data now that are demonstrating that these vaccines, particularly RNA vaccines, are damaging T cell responses... They're causing a form of Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome.... and we can see it by the frequent [rise in] herpes, Epstein-Barr, infectious [mononucleosis], etc."
 
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VolinWayne said:
I definitely don't think that 100% will have aids. It clearly said "if". Here's a pretty good explanation by Dr. Malone on how this is happening.

The Vaccines Are Causing a Form of AIDS - Dr. Robert Malone

We have lots of scientific data now that are demonstrating that these vaccines, particularly RNA vaccines, are damaging T cell responses... They're causing a form of Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome.... and we can see it by the frequent [rise in] herpes, Epstein-Barr, infectious [mononucleosis], etc."
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You can find a “link”between any two things if you look hard enough.
 
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"Irreparable Damage" to the Immune System Caused by the Shots - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

"This is what they're talking about: how people can get AIDS from these shots because it destroys their immune system and shuts it down. [It] shuts down the Toll-like receptors and the [CD8 + T-cells], and it appears as though that's irreparable damage, and it will never come back based on German data."



"Irreparable Damage" to the Immune System Caused by the Shots - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
 
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VolinWayne said:
"Irreparable Damage" to the Immune System Caused by the Shots - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny

"This is what they're talking about: how people can get AIDS from these shots because it destroys their immune system and shuts it down. [It] shuts down the Toll-like receptors and the [CD8 + T-cells], and it appears as though that's irreparable damage, and it will never come back based on German data."



"Irreparable Damage" to the Immune System Caused by the Shots - Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
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This would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. She's a known anti-vaxxer and was one long before we ever heard of coronavirus. Here's one her really fun claims:

Tenpenny promoted the false claim that COVID-19 vaccines cause people to become magnetized such that metal objects stick to their bodies
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Sherri Tenpenny - Wikipedia

Sorry. This is not an expert worth listening to
 
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[QUOTE="Sea Ray, post: 21114223, member: 61542"]This would be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. She's a known anti-vaxxer and was one long before we ever heard of coronavirus. Here's one her really fun claims: [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Tenpenny']Sherri Tenpenny - Wikipedia[/URL] Sorry. This is not an expert worth listening to[/QUOTE]

Given her history as being an antivaxxer I probably shouldn't have used her as a source. Either way, she does do a pretty good job of explaining this.
 
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Sea Ray said:
So none of those were considered vaccine induced AIDS? Either way it's got to be extremely rare. Any publication that states "all" 19-39 yr olds will have no immune system by February or April is so off that anything else it says should be discounted
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I think the example of liver cancer in a 23 year old and the atypical polycyclic renal are highly questionable. I haven’t found anything yet to back up what would be some fairly fantastic numbers that were presented in that study. I’m seeing some very strange things happen to unhealthy vaccinated people but I personally expected that.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I think the example of liver cancer in a 23 year old and the atypical polycyclic renal are highly questionable. I haven’t found anything yet to back up what would be some fairly fantastic numbers that were presented in that study. I’m seeing some very strange things happen to unhealthy vaccinated people but I personally expected that.
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I appreciate you reporting your experiences and yes, cases like that need to be taken seriously but even if that was due to the vaccine, such experiences are more on the extremely rare side than they are "all 19-38 yr olds..." The piece that said that is fear mongering.

We have folks here calling doctors experts who tell us that the vaccine will magnetize us. Can't medical people like you (and me) agree that that is bunk and call out that sort of BS?
 
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