Vaccine or not?

[OHvol40]

I don't know what to tell you, I guess we're all seeing different things. I know for a fact around here, ain't nobody getting it, except a few who were vaccinated. Soon as companies stopped paying for time off for covid, wasn't hardly anyone sick anymore. The company I work for has about 100+ employees, and I can count on one hand the number that's been out of work with corona this year, and they were all vaccinated.

It certainly can be a case of perspective. My wife (a 15 year veteran ICU nurse) dealt with countless families that didn’t believe that COVID was real, or that it was overblown (we live in a relatively rural, predominantly red area of PA). It’s difficult trying to convince someone that their family member or loved one is about to die from something they don’t believe in. This frustration has been a source of strife for her and her coworkers during the last couple years. There is a fatigue that comes with that. Can you imagine caring for people over and over and over, and helplessly watching them slowly die over and over and over while trying to explain what’s happening to people that don’t believe it’s happening?

 

[RockyTop85]

@RockyTop85 i smell $$$

I don’t. I read an explanation about why this is happening like 6 months ago that made sense to me.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I don’t. I read an explanation about why this is happening like 6 months ago that made sense to me.

Do you mind sharing? I find articles from late 2020 stating that we would all know the name "Comirnaty" before long, and here we are at 18 months later and pharmacists know nothing.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Just had another long discussion with the pharmacist at a large local retail store. He has never heard of Comirnaty, and they have been administering the BioNTech EUA product without having patients sign waivers.

This is the strangest phenomenon I can ever recall in medicine. If the right attorneys got hold of the situation, there could be a monumental case.

The lack of knowledge that this is going on is what is unreal to me. It is like people refuse to inform themselves of this fact. And the dosage changing midstream is another thing that just blows me away.

It’s like I’m standing in a sheep pasture.

 

[RockyTop85]

Do you mind sharing? I find articles from late 2020 stating that we would all know the name "Comirnaty" before long, and here we are at 18 months later and pharmacists know nothing.

From what I remember, it was an optional brand name and they chose not to use it in the US.

 

[RockyTop85]

You asked, we answered: Are Pfizer's Comirnaty and BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines the same or different?

I think this is the same article I read.

 

[kiddiedoc]

From what I remember, it was an optional brand name and they chose not to use it in the US.

The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness."

 

[kiddiedoc]

From what I remember, it was an optional brand name and they chose not to use it in the US.

And, thus, the vaccines being used in the US are legally NOT FDA approved, yet are being administered as if they are.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Q&A for Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine mRNA)

Does the emergency use authorization (EUA) for Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine remain in effect after the approval?
Yes. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is authorized for emergency use and is available under the EUA as a two dose primary series in individuals 5 years of age and older, as a third primary series dose for individuals 5 years of age and older...

How is Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) related to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine authorized for emergency use?
The FDA-approved Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-emergency use authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for individuals 12 years of age and older, when prepared according to their respective instructions for use, can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.

 

[newyorkvol]

It certainly can be a case of perspective. My wife (a 15 year veteran ICU nurse) dealt with countless families that didn’t believe that COVID was real, or that it was overblown (we live in a relatively rural, predominantly red area of PA). It’s difficult trying to convince someone that their family member or loved one is about to die from something they don’t believe in. This frustration has been a source of strife for her and her coworkers during the last couple years. There is a fatigue that comes with that. Can you imagine caring for people over and over and over, and helplessly watching them slowly die over and over and over while trying to explain what’s happening to people that don’t believe it’s happening?

I think it’s definitely perspective, or selection bias.

Most studies currently show that vaccinated or not, the chance of hospitalization from Covid is less than 1%. So that would explain someone in the community seeing “no one” being hospitalized due to Covid.

However, within that 1% that are hospitalized, require ICU admission, or die, studies also show a much higher proportion being those who are not vaccinated. That would explain why an ICU nurse sees mostly, if not all, unvaccinated patients.

 

[OHvol40]

I think it’s definitely perspective, or selection bias.

Most studies currently show that vaccinated or not, the chance of hospitalization from Covid is less than 1%. So that would explain someone in the community seeing “no one” being hospitalized due to Covid.

However, within that 1% that are hospitalized, require ICU admission, or die, studies also show a much higher proportion being those who are not vaccinated. That would explain why an ICU nurse sees mostly, if not all, unvaccinated patients.

All true

 

[RockyTop85]

Q&A for Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine mRNA)

And, thus, the vaccines being used in the US are legally NOT FDA approved, yet are being administered as if they are.

What CFR section are you basing this conclusion on?

 

[joevol33]

It certainly can be a case of perspective. My wife (a 15 year veteran ICU nurse) dealt with countless families that didn’t believe that COVID was real, or that it was overblown (we live in a relatively rural, predominantly red area of PA). It’s difficult trying to convince someone that their family member or loved one is about to die from something they don’t believe in. This frustration has been a source of strife for her and her coworkers during the last couple years. There is a fatigue that comes with that. Can you imagine caring for people over and over and over, and helplessly watching them slowly die over and over and over while trying to explain what’s happening to people that don’t believe it’s happening?

I can, I've worked with addicts for several years. I personally don't know anyone who didn't believe it was real, but I know many who rightfully believe that numbers were being exaggerated. The CDC admitting it is proof enough for many to doubt other numbers as well.

 

[davethevol]

So now there is a mysterious, rare liver disease going around US and Europe that’s affecting kids. Hmmmm….

There’s now speculation that this liver disease is the result of the lockdowns and childrens’ immune responses not being as good because their systems were weaker. That’s probably the most likely answer.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So, about that winter of death....

More than half of Massachusetts residents have been infected with COVID-19, and an even higher percentage nationwide (msn.com)

The numbers show that, in December, only one-third of Americans had been infected with COVID-19; by Feb. 22, the share had exploded to 58 percent.

“I definitely expected we would see an increase. I didn’t expect it to increase this much,” said Dr. Kristie Clarke, the agency researcher who led the study.

 

[kiddiedoc]

What CFR section are you basing this conclusion on?

What do you mean? I am simply stating that based on numerous conversations with pharmacists and colleagues in other areas of the country, Comirnaty (the branded FDA approved vaccine) is not available, and unknown to most.

 

[615vols]

Driving to the shop this morning in Murfreesboro, I passed a young boy probably 10 years old standing by himself at the street corner waiting for the bus to school wearing a mask. Clown world.. kids parents probably have him scared of being in public.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

May not be anything to this, but then again...

James Madison University softball star Lauren Bernett dies at 20 (msn.com)

Lauren Bernett, a standout James Madison University softball player who helped the school to a historic run to the Women's College World Series last year, died suddenly at the age of 20, officials said Tuesday.

The death of the sophomore catcher, who was third on the team in home runs and second in RBI, was announced by JMU president Jonathan Alger.

 

[clarksvol00]

Driving to the shop this morning in Murfreesboro, I passed a young boy probably 10 years old standing by himself at the street corner waiting for the bus to school wearing a mask. Clown world.. kids parents probably have him scared of being in public.

Maybe you and the other "i saw somebody I don't know wearing a mask" Karens should start a thread where you can document these crimes against humanity.

 

[0nelilreb]

Maybe you and the other "i saw somebody I don't know wearing a mask" Karens should start a thread where you can document these crimes against humanity.

Well we could but the first time someone mentions how utterly ridiculous it is to see a 10 year standing by himself outside because of the fear porn the liberal propaganda machine has pumped out , it would be merged right back here under this one or the Covid thread umbrellas Looks like you are just going to have to suck it up and take the fall out from the last two years like the rest of us did .

 

[615vols]

Maybe you and the other "i saw somebody I don't know wearing a mask" Karens should start a thread where you can document these crimes against humanity.

Looks like i hurt your booty with that post. I’m guessing the masking all alone while standing outdoors to “follow the science” is your type, probably why you’re so bothered. Sorry lady, mask on! But I will continue to laugh at the idiocy

 

[clarksvol00]

Looks like i hurt your booty with that post. I’m guessing the masking all alone while standing outdoors to “follow the science” is your type, probably why you’re so bothered. Sorry lady, mask on! But I will continue to laugh at the idiocy

Not really and I don't wear a mask. I just think it's funny that we spent two years seeing posts like "I'm not going to wear a mask, it's not my job to protect you. If you have an issue, stay home or wear a mask yourself." Now the people who claim to be all about personal responsibility and liberty feel the need to post about it whenever they see someone wearing a mask. Why do you care if somebody else wears a mask? @onelilreb

 

[clarksvol00]

Well we could but the first time someone mentions how utterly ridiculous it is to see a 10 year standing by himself outside because of the fear porn the liberal propaganda machine has pumped out , it would be merged right back here under this one or the Covid thread umbrellas Looks like you are just going to have to suck it up and take the fall out from the last two years like the rest of us did .

See my reply to 615. Couldn't @ you.

 

[LouderVol]

What do you mean? I am simply stating that based on numerous conversations with pharmacists and colleagues in other areas of the country, Comirnaty (the branded FDA approved vaccine) is not available, and unknown to most.

They just started advertising Comirnaty down here in Atlanta. At this point I am not getting it. But considering this is more than 6 months after they said it's available it does speak to a lack of public awareness.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Maybe you and the other "i saw somebody I don't know wearing a mask" Karens should start a thread where you can document these crimes against humanity.

Maybe you can come spend a few days with me and see the irreparable harm that has been done to some children firsthand. You might just change your tune.