Vaccine or not?

[LouderVol]

I'm having real trouble with the @ today.

at first I was just curious that VN recognized "@" as a verb that would still show the hyperlink. So I clicked and saw it was a poster and my interest was peaked so I read up.

Your mistake lead to decent like rabbit hole I enjoyed, I thank you for it.

 

[VolinWayne]

You are as bad as the you must vax crowd.

Care to explain this comment?? You are responding to my apology with this comment. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion but let me explain the difference between my opinion and the "must vax" crowd.

The "must vax" crowd pushes for vaccine mandates for all at any cost. They attempt to justify individuals losing their jobs if they refuse the jab. They attack on a personal level individuals who choose to not take the jab. They believe that the vaccine provides greater protection then natural immunity does. They are pushing an EUA vaccine on kids when it is a known fact that healthy kids have almost zero risk of dying of Covid.

I believe the choice should always be up to the individual in regards to the vaccine. I will never attack an individual on a personal level for choosing to be vaccinated. That is completely up to the individual. I just think it's extremely sad to completely turn a blind eye to VAERS. Real people have had their lives destroyed. I refuse to blindly trust "the science" when it's constantly changing. I refuse to believe big pharma only cares about our health and isn't like most other businesses and driven by the need to make profits. (Please research how many millions of $ in fines and lawsuits Pfyzer has had to pay over the past 25 years). I also refuse to blindly believe that a lot of our politicians who are pushing for vaccines for all have nothing to gain. I would love to know how many politicians have stocks in Phyzer and Moderna.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I had forgotten that you think you’re the only doctor. That’s always a hoot.

What you’re talking about isn’t a medical issue. It’s law. It’s regulatory. If there was any discrediting done, you did it to yourself by relying on “iM A pHysIciAn!!” instead of actually digging through the CFR, USC, and court decisions to see if a chemically identical compound administered for an authorized use is still considered to be an emergency use… or if they just look at the label. Or, alternatively, when/whether the liability protections even lapse because a drug becomes fully authorized.

At least do something to bridge all the leaps of logic between “you can’t argue with me because I’m a doctor” and “conspiracy confirmed.”

I don’t blame you, that’s a lot of damn work for an implausible theory that has had… what real world effect? How many lawsuits have been dismissed because the label didn’t say Comirnaty?

OK buddy, I hope that makes you feel better. It's funny how you think I'm the crazy one, yet Pfizer and the FDA have gone out of their way to clearly explain the difference.

Peace.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I had forgotten that you think you’re the only doctor. That’s always a hoot.

What you’re talking about isn’t a medical issue. It’s law. It’s regulatory. If there was any discrediting done, you did it to yourself by relying on “iM A pHysIciAn!!” instead of actually digging through the CFR, USC, and court decisions to see if a chemically identical compound administered for an authorized use is still considered to be an emergency use… or if they just look at the label. Or, alternatively, when/whether the liability protections even lapse because a drug becomes fully authorized.

At least do something to bridge all the leaps of logic between “you can’t argue with me because I’m a doctor” and “conspiracy confirmed.”

I don’t blame you, that’s a lot of damn work for an implausible theory that has had… what real world effect? How many lawsuits have been dismissed because the label didn’t say Comirnaty?

The problem is the commies are forcing this shot on anyone and everyone any way that they can. If they are going to try that, then they should expect physicians that are worth anything to question the labeling. Especially with the VAERs database throwing up red flags all over the place.

 

[utvolpj]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/mod...covid-vaccine-for-kids-under-6-years-old.html

Moderna on Thursday asked the Food and Drug Administration to authorize its Covid vaccine for children ages 6 months to 5 years old.

The vaccine was about 51% effective against infection from the omicron variant in children under 2 years old and about 37% effective among 2- to 5-year-old kids, according to a company press release. Dr. Paul Burton, Moderna’s chief medical officer, said those levels are similar to two-dose protection for adults.

 

[allvol123]

@VolinWayne @Rasputin_Vol

James Madison University softball star Lauren Bernett dies of apparent suicide at 20

I just want to point out how distasteful it was to take this story into this thread and try to perpetrate some COVID vaccine narrative by exploiting this girl and her family’s tragedy. Will you admit your mistake?

Are you kidding me ? You? Mr. 7% who would never own up to what you said during your fear porn. Stfu.

 

[ButchPlz]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/28/mod...covid-vaccine-for-kids-under-6-years-old.html

Hey guys we're literally an F- here in performance but authorize this sh*t for kids because we want more of that sweet sweet freshly-printed $$$.

 

[Jxn Vol]

All this for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

 

[kiddiedoc]

All this for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

99.997 for children

 

[VolinWayne]

 

[VolinWayne]

New Study confirms Pfizer Covid Injection can cause Severe Autoimmune-Hepatitis

“A new scientific study published 21st April 2022, has concluded that Covid-19 vaccination can elicit a distinct T cell-dominant immune-mediated hepatitis (liver inflammation) with a unique pathomechanism associated with vaccination-induced antigen-specific tissue-resident immunity requiring systemic immunosuppression.“…


New Study confirming COVID Vaccine causes Severe Autoimmune-Hepatitis is published days after W.H.O issued 'Global Alert' about new Severe Hepatitis among Children

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

@VolinWayne @Rasputin_Vol

James Madison University softball star Lauren Bernett dies of apparent suicide at 20

I just want to point out how distasteful it was to take this story into this thread and try to perpetrate some COVID vaccine narrative by exploiting this girl and her family’s tragedy. Will you admit your mistake?

What is there to apologize for? I clearly said in the first few words of my post that it's probably nothing to it. But, it did seem fishy at the time.

Had I come out directly and made a definitive statement that it was vax related, then you would have a point.

Also, this only shows how far this thing has gotten when now any sort of person that passes under mysterious circumstances, the first question is "were they vaccinated? "...

 

[RockyTop85]

OK buddy, I hope that makes you feel better. It's funny how you think I'm the crazy one, yet Pfizer and the FDA have gone out of their way to clearly explain the difference.

Peace.

What happens when you have these disagreements with peers? I mean most of the doctors I know disagree with you on just about everything you post on here. Are you not talking these issues through with colleagues who disagree with you? Surely you don’t just declare you’re above disagreement, take your ball, and go home.

 

[OHvol40]

What is there to apologize for? I clearly said in the first few words of my post that it's probably nothing to it. But, it did seem fishy at the time.

Had I come out directly and made a definitive statement that it was vax related, then you would have a point.

Also, this only shows how far this thing has gotten when now any sort of person that passes under mysterious circumstances, the first question is "were they vaccinated? "...

You put it in this thread and made the suggestion. YOUR first question might be “were they vaccinated?” But most rational people probably reserve judgement until information is gathered.

If you don’t want to take responsibility for posting THAT story in THIS thread, that’s your prerogative. Not everyone has the humility to admit their mistakes.

 

[kiddiedoc]

What happens when you have these disagreements with peers? I mean most of the doctors I know disagree with you on just about everything you post on here. Are you not talking these issues through with colleagues who disagree with you? Surely you don’t just declare you’re above disagreement, take your ball, and go home.

I'm not having a disagreement. I've shown you, via Pfizer and the FDA's own print, that you are wrong, and I don't feel like wasting any more time with you.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I mean most of the doctors I know disagree with you on just about everything you post on here.

And, if this is even remotely true, you need to find some different doctors!

 

[kiddiedoc]

A few thoughts you can run by your doctor buddies:

The virus is likely engineered.
Children are not at serious risk from CV19.
School, sports, and extra-curricular activities should not have been taken from children.
Cloth masks are not an effective tool to stop the spread of respiratory viruses.
Herd immunity is likely the most important factor towards ending the pandemic.
Shutdowns caused a myriad of unintended damage -- financial, physical, and mental.
mRNA shots are not likely to confer lasting immunity, especially if variants emerge.
mRNA shots have had some side effects that could potentially be serious and need to be investigated.
We should focus more on inexpensive therapeutics, especially for the at-risk.

 

[RockyTop85]

I'm not having a disagreement. I've shown you, via Pfizer and the FDA's own print, that you are wrong, and I don't feel like wasting any more time with you.

Only a crazy person would fail to see the numerous gaps in that logic, especially after they’ve already been pointed out to him.

Sounds like you don’t talk to your peers about these things. I wonder why that is…

 

[kiddiedoc]

Only a crazy person would fail to see the numerous gaps in that logic, especially after they’ve already been pointed out to him.

Sounds like you don’t talk to your peers about these things. I wonder why that is…

I guess I could just agree with you.

And then, we'd both be wrong.

 

[RockyTop85]

I guess I could just agree with you.

And then, we'd both be wrong.

What’s really fascinating to me is why a physician would come to a forum full of lay people rather than a forum of other physicians to discuss things that he believes can’t be debated by non-doctors.

I think we can rule out being a good samaritan and having your theories tested based on your responses.

Beat remaining option, in my opinion, is ego/affirmation.

 

[Jxn Vol]

What’s really fascinating to me is why a physician would come to a forum full of lay people rather than a forum of other physicians to discuss things that he believes can’t be debated by non-doctors.

I think we can rule out being a good samaritan and having your theories tested based on your responses.

Beat remaining option, in my opinion, is ego/affirmation.

It’s a political forum. Anyone with an opinion can come on here.

I carry a healthcare license, not using it in my current role. But I see a basturdization of our healthcare system by media and politics. There are many like us in many facilities that see how Covid was/is being handled. It’s like a gaggle of idiots got together and abandoned their training and decided to make up crap as they went.

I’m sure our good doc is like most of us, in that we come here to blow off steam. Good day.

 

[Devo182]

All this for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

So a 1 in 100 chance of DYING

Yup, go ahead and sign up for that ****

True sign of intelligence asking for a higher risk of death, unless you can't take the vaccine, which I feel sorry for. Have one friend that can't. She got covid and is a "longhauler". Couldn't even walk much for a year, mid 30s. Hate it for her.

 

[0nelilreb]

So a 1 in 100 chance of DYING

Yup, go ahead and sign up for that ****

True sign of intelligence asking for a higher risk of death, unless you can't take the vaccine, which I feel sorry for. Have one friend that can't. She got covid and is a "longhauler". Couldn't even walk much for a year, mid 30s. Hate it for her.

Longhauler here ..That’s terrible . Did she have other health problems before Covid ?

 

[kiddiedoc]

What’s really fascinating to me is why a physician would come to a forum full of lay people rather than a forum of other physicians to discuss things that he believes can’t be debated by non-doctors.

I think we can rule out being a good samaritan and having your theories tested based on your responses.

Beat remaining option, in my opinion, is ego/affirmation.

I was actually part of Volnation since the earliest days, when we used to know basically everyone and met up in person for games/ events. I'm friends with Freak, and I have a number of other personal friends on the board --- some in healthcare, some not. I enjoy discussing Vol athletics, cooking, fitness, music, movies, cars, grilling, and health- related topics.

From what I have understood, a good number of posters have appreciated having an actual local practicing physician who has cared for around a thousand kids with COVID post throughout the pandemic.

What's fascinating to me is why you seem to care so much about my motivation for being here. It's odd, honestly. If you don't like what I have to say, then just ignore.

Let me know when all your doctor buddies weigh in on the beliefs I have consistently stated for two years (listed above).

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You put it in this thread and made the suggestion. YOUR first question might be “were they vaccinated?” But most rational people probably reserve judgement until information is gathered.

If you don’t want to take responsibility for posting THAT story in THIS thread, that’s your prerogative. Not everyone has the humility to admit their mistakes.

I took responsibilty for posting it in here. WTF are you talking about?