Vaccine or not?

I’m assuming you’ve made a bad assumption somewhere because knowing what 18 physicians think about the vaccine doesn’t seem funny to me. 🤷🏻‍♂️
It’s funny because you’re evidence that kiddiedoc is wrong is based on “18 physicians” that you happen to know from your circle. I’ve been around hundreds of doctors of various kinds and practices and I assure you that kiddiedoc’a views align with probably 75-80% of them.
 
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It’s funny because you’re evidence that kiddiedoc is wrong is based on “18 physicians” that you happen to know from your circle. I’ve been around hundreds of doctors of various kinds and practices and I assure you that kiddiedoc’a views align with probably 75-80% of them.

I find that hard to believe, not just because you’re a notoriously unreliable source with a history of blatantly lying and track record of laughable made up percentages, but because the views I posted earlier, which he agreed with, and the way he discusses cost/benefits of the vaccine are completely inconsistent with all 18, even those who tended to be more vaccine skeptical.
 
I find that hard to believe, not just because you’re a notoriously unreliable source with a history of blatantly lying and track record of laughable made up percentages, but because the views I posted earlier, which he agreed with, and the way he discusses cost/benefits of the vaccine are completely inconsistent with all 18, even those who tended to be more vaccine skeptical.
Made up percentages? Blatantly lying? Wtf are you talking about? I could refer you to Dr Keith Gray or Julia Van Zyl or Jerry Epps or literally hundreds of qualified medical doctors who actually know what they are talking about.
 
Made up percentages? Blatantly lying? Wtf are you talking about? I could refer you to Dr Keith Gray or Julia Van Zyl or Jerry Epps or literally hundreds of qualified medical doctors who actually know what they are talking about.
Dude is here arguing about a political agenda, just like everybody else. The stuff he posts that has seemed off has generally been scorned by doctors I trust. It’s not something I’d even bring up if he weren’t constantly saying that only doctors can argue with him… like nobody else knows a doctor.

Maybe it’s confirmation bias and there’s a lot more information that I’ve overlooked, maybe he’s different at work. I don’t know and don’t care. I don’t keep notes or do an empirical study of other posters. Somebody does the same thing enough times and I form an opinion. In this case my informed opinion is that the stuff he posts is generally worth about the same as anything else that’s posted in this forum. That’s how reputations work.
 
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Dude is here arguing about a political agenda, just like everybody else. The stuff he posts that has seemed off has generally been scorned by doctors I trust. It’s not something I’d even bring up if he weren’t constantly saying that only doctors can argue with him… like nobody else knows a doctor.

Maybe it’s confirmation bias and there’s a lot more information that I’ve overlooked, maybe he’s different at work. I don’t know and don’t care. I don’t keep notes or do an empirical study of other posters. Somebody does the same thing enough times and I form an opinion. In this case my informed opinion is that the stuff he posts is generally worth about the same as anything else that’s posted in this forum. That’s how reputations work.

I would be disappointed in myself and hope you would also , if I didn’t take this opportunity to say something about irony here .
 
Which part? The reputation stuff?


I see irony in the fact that you are the one doing most of the arguing (and being a real prick about it I might add.) Kiddiedoc puts his views out there and seems like the kind of person who knows how to get in debates without being straight up rude.
 
I see irony in the fact that you are the one doing most of the arguing (and being a real prick about it I might add.) Kiddiedoc puts his views out there and seems like the kind of person who knows how to get in debates without being straight up rude.
I don’t see this irony. Wouldn’t I have to be complaining about him being a dick for it to be ironic?

Seems like you just made this post to be straight up rude and call me a prick.

Now THAT would be irony. 😂
 
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It’s funny because you’re evidence that kiddiedoc is wrong is based on “18 physicians” that you happen to know from your circle. I’ve been around hundreds of doctors of various kinds and practices and I assure you that kiddiedoc’a views align with probably 75-80% of them.
I'm having trouble with the quote system on VN, but @kiddiedoc has affirmatively stated there have been no problems with athletes and covid. I think his exact statement was "zero problems." Doc if you dispute my remembrance of your quote let me know.

Covid long-term effects: How elite athletes are dealing with it - SBNation.com
 
I'm having trouble with the quote system on VN, but @kiddiedoc has affirmatively stated there have been no problems with athletes and covid. I think his exact statement was "zero problems." Doc if you dispute my remembrance of your quote let me know.

Covid long-term effects: How elite athletes are dealing with it - SBNation.com


What this article never mentions is how many of these healthy athletes who have struggled to recover from covid were vaccinated. That would be a great detail to know. We need to explore all options and possibilities with an open mind. I'm just looking at this from my personal experience with covid and those around me who I know. None of my family is vaxed, we have all had covid and there have been no lingering recovery issues whatsoever. Maybe it's our Vitamin intake? Maybe it's just the good Lord looking out for us? Either way, I'm thankful that's not been my experience and I plan on continuing to do things exactly how I have been doing for the past 2 years. My family never wears masks, we don't worry about social distancing, we take our daily doses of Vitamin D, Vitamin D and Zinc, we get outside and we excersise.
 
What this article never mentions is how many of these healthy athletes who have struggled to recover from covid were vaccinated. That would be a great detail to know. We need to explore all options and possibilities with an open mind. I'm just looking at this from my personal experience with covid and those around me who I know. None of my family is vaxed, we have all had covid and there have been no lingering recovery issues whatsoever. Maybe it's our Vitamin intake? Maybe it's just the good Lord looking out for us? Either way, I'm thankful that's not been my experience and I plan on continuing to do things exactly how I have been doing for the past 2 years. My family never wears masks, we don't worry about social distancing, we take our daily doses of Vitamin D, Vitamin D and Zinc, we get outside and we excersise.
Everybody is different, that's the one thing people trying to force the vaccine doesn't understand. Not everyone had the same experience with Corona, my wife has bad health issues, caught it during no visiting at the hospital. She was there 20 days, and after testing her every other day, she tested positive on the 9th night, and they sent her home first thing that next morning. This was fall of 2020, she had been septic, and I was confused because if it was so bad, why send her home within hours of testing positive, and she had to catch it there. That said, as bad of health issues she has, she barely had a cough. I know a few people who got really sick, a couple who passed. One vaccinated, one not. The shot is no different. It may bother you, but I may have bad side effects, or vice versa. People screaming, "just take the shot", can't seem to understand that. My wife takes aspirin every day, I can't take it at all, we're different. You can't hardly talk logical like that with some, they can't get it.
 
What this article never mentions is how many of these healthy athletes who have struggled to recover from covid were vaccinated. That would be a great detail to know. We need to explore all options and possibilities with an open mind. I'm just looking at this from my personal experience with covid and those around me who I know. None of my family is vaxed, we have all had covid and there have been no lingering recovery issues whatsoever. Maybe it's our Vitamin intake? Maybe it's just the good Lord looking out for us? Either way, I'm thankful that's not been my experience and I plan on continuing to do things exactly how I have been doing for the past 2 years. My family never wears masks, we don't worry about social distancing, we take our daily doses of Vitamin D, Vitamin D and Zinc, we get outside and we excersise.
I'm not citing the article to argue about the vaccine. There's an ongoing discussion about doc's credibility and/or agenda. I'm citing his quote and the article in relation to that discussion.

To your point, I'm a generally healthy guy. I think I had covid very early in this thing (never got tested and dont even know if they were testing for it at that point), but I did have some serious long term issues that popped up shortly after the illness I believe was covid.
 
I'm having trouble with the quote system on VN, but @kiddiedoc has affirmatively stated there have been no problems with athletes and covid. I think his exact statement was "zero problems." Doc if you dispute my remembrance of your quote let me know.

Covid long-term effects: How elite athletes are dealing with it - SBNation.com
I apologize, but I do not remember exactly what I said last year about athletes. I know that at one point I brought up that not a single athlete in the entire world had died from the virus, but surely that has changed after 2 years. However it is certainly a very, very tiny percentage.

As to the exceedingly rare residual effects in young athletes: there are likely a number of factors in play -- post- viral, mental (as addressed in that article), deconditioning, etc. It would also be important to know if those affected had been vaccinated prior to their actual infections.

I'll try to look up some more recent data, as those anecdotal reports are a year old now.
 
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I'm not citing the article to argue about the vaccine. There's an ongoing discussion about doc's credibility and/or agenda.
LOL, I really don't have an "agenda," I just enjoy the VN community (usually) and am here to lend an inside voice using my educational background and experience caring for children. And, trust me, I have no need for any affirmation of credibility from some anonymous message board posters.
 
LOL, I really don't have an "agenda," I just enjoy the VN community (usually) and am here to lend an inside voice using my educational background and experience caring for children. And, trust me, I have no need for any affirmation of credibility from some anonymous message board posters.
Of course you have an agenda and that agenda is dangerous. You spread disinformation under the guise of being a pediatrician and scientist.
 
I agree with you 100% in regards to debates being healthy. Healthy debates are great! There is no person on earth who is correct 100% of the time. What is never healthy is when one side of the debate gets silenced and sensored. I think thats probably why so many of us have become so vocal is because our opinions are being silenced and scensored on so many social media platforms.
I’m with you 100%. We don’t need to over correct by doing the same thing in the other direction though. That’s a slippery slope.
 
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