Vaccine or not?

[Rasputin_Vol]

Or the parents should comply with a industry standard among any transplants even pre Covid to save their kid instead of using political propaganda to grandstand and fleece people out of their money

So the parents should just have their child take an experimental jab that didn't exis 2 years ago for what? What did Vanderbilt do with these patients before 2021?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Following protocol... you never disappoint.

You trying to force people how to operate their business. Never disappoint commie

 

[Rickyvol77]

So the parents should just have their child take an experimental jab that didn't exis 2 years ago for what? What did Vanderbilt do with these patients before 2021?

They also had to follow protocols including vaccines

 

[Rickyvol77]

Following protocol... you never disappoint.

Nearly a million people don’t qualify for organ transplants a year. For several reasons. You just don’t understand the process

 

[ButchPlz]

You trying to force people how to operate their business. Never disappoint commie

If you're going to say that, all hospitals should immediately lose non-profit status and be subject to the full burden of taxes. Additionally they should lose all grants, state and federal, and medical and nursing schools should be ineligible for any taxpayer funded loans, grants, or scholarships.

Until then, you're damn right that the citizens that end up forking over money into the system get to tell them how to run their "business".

 

[BP4Prez]

Nearly a million people don’t qualify for organ transplants a year. For several reasons. You just don’t understand the process

The point is a Covid vaccine for a 6 month old should not be a requirement. Again you can’t get all standard newborn vaccines at that age yet.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

They also had to follow protocols including vaccines

There was no covid vaccine before 2021. So again, what did they do before then?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Nearly a million people don’t qualify for organ transplants a year. For several reasons. You just don’t understand the process

I don't understand the full process. That isn't what I'm saying. My point is that in this particular situation, we suddenly have these experimental jabs out here that did not go through the usual trials and testing process. In a situation like this, exceptions need to be made, not holding on to some rule and not allowing for exceptions.

Similarly, when we have a new virus on the scene and all conventional/recommended treatments have been exhausted in trying to treat that patient, there is no reason in the world for that patient that has been written off as dead to be denied experimental/nonconventional treatments.

 

[Rickyvol77]

If you're going to say that, all hospitals should immediately lose non-profit status and be subject to the full burden of taxes. Additionally they should lose all grants, state and federal, and medical and nursing schools should be ineligible for any taxpayer funded loans, grants, or scholarships.

Until then, you're damn right that the citizens that end up forking over money into the system get to tell them how to run their "business".

We are not for profit

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We are not for profit

Why did you personalize it when he was simply making a general statement?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Or the parents should comply with a industry standard among any transplants even pre Covid to save their kid instead of using political propaganda to grandstand and fleece people out of their money

The baby would be on immunosuppressive drugs the day of the transplant thereby negating the immune system or any shots received. This is purely a political play by mandating a shot to a dying baby. Do you see how far afield this has gone?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Or the parents should comply with a industry standard among any transplants even pre Covid to save their kid instead of using political propaganda to grandstand and fleece people out of their money

The irony is astounding

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The baby would be on immunosuppressive drugs the day of the transplant thereby negating the immune system or any shots received. This is purely a political play by mandating a shot to a dying baby. Do you see how far afield this has gone?

No. He simply is locked in to thinking that all rules and laws should be strictly enforced without exception.

 

[Jxn Vol]

Standards and protocols established for a non FDA approved EUA therapeutic that has no long term safety data should not occur. And the hiding behind these protocols are harmful.

Especially when you are trained do do no harm.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Nearly a million people don’t qualify for organ transplants a year. For several reasons. You just don’t understand the process

Ah but I do understand it and have participated in it. Lifenet is now accepting donors with active covid diagnosis. With or without a shot.
Never was a recipients immunization status concerning until covid. It was not in the forefront of any recipients medical records, discussions with the transplant coordinators or the transplant team. It’s not important because they are going to make them immunocompromised as ish after the transplant with 2 drugs. Tacromulus and prograph.
Giving a person a VAD until a donor is found they stay in cardiothorasic surgery floor until they are stable enough to go to advanced heart failure unit where they wait. Not once did I hear discussions about immunizations in 3.5 years on the open heart unit. I never heard “ oh they haven’t had a flu shot” we can’t move forward with the surgery… because it didn’t matter.
Why does that one shot matter? It doesn’t if organ donation services are accepting covid pos pts without the shot. If it doesn’t matter then it is political in nature. JMO.

 

[Rickyvol77]

No. He simply is locked in to thinking that all rules and laws should be strictly enforced without exception.

Not at all. I just understand the rules and laws and why they are in place even if I disagree with them. And understand further that businesses can choose to do what they want

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Not at all. I just understand the rules and laws and why they are in place even if I disagree with them. And understand further that businesses can choose to do what they want

No, businesses cannot (or should not) be able to do whatever they want. I understand and appreciate the idea of laissez-faire capitalism. But this pandemic has been an eye opening experience for me in two ways:
1. We have a fascist/corporatist/cartelist system in this country
2. There are people who seem to have planted the idea in society that businesses have rights. That is how #1 was able to be advanced.
Individuals have rights. Businesses do not have rights.

 

[whodeycin85]

Ah but I do understand it and have participated in it. Lifenet is now accepting donors with active covid diagnosis. With or without a shot.
Never was a recipients immunization status concerning until covid. It was not in the forefront of any recipients medical records, discussions with the transplant coordinators or the transplant team. It’s not important because they are going to make them immunocompromised as ish after the transplant with 2 drugs. Tacromulus and prograph.
Giving a person a VAD until a donor is found they stay in cardiothorasic surgery floor until they are stable enough to go to advanced heart failure unit where they wait. Not once did I hear discussions about immunizations in 3.5 years on the open heart unit. I never heard “ oh they haven’t had a flu shot” we can’t move forward with the surgery… because it didn’t matter.
Why does that one shot matter? It doesn’t if organ donation services are accepting covid pos pts without the shot. If it doesn’t matter then it is political in nature. JMO.

Thank you for this info as someone with ersd and trying to get a transplant. This is good info

 

[DC_Vol]

You can’t have a transplant without following the standard protocols. Anywhere. For any reason. Literally thousands of people are denied transplants yearly for everything from smoking to their diet to their age

The issue here is why a COVID vaccine is part of the protocol. It makes about as much sense as requiring the recipient to have a red rose tattooed on their ankle before moving forward. Or requiring the person to attend church services before they go forward with the transplant.

It’s a rule that lacks any coherent reasoning and therefore should and will be questioned. Falling back on the “we always follow protocols” addresses nothing. It’s a lame cop out.

 

[Rickyvol77]

No, businesses cannot (or should not) be able to do whatever they want. I understand and appreciate the idea of laissez-faire capitalism. But this pandemic has been an eye opening experience for me in two ways:
1. We have a fascist/corporatist/cartelist system in this country
2. There are people who seem to have planted the idea in society that businesses have rights. That is how #1 was able to be advanced.
Individuals have rights. Businesses do not have rights.

Bake that cake - “Commie”

 

[ButchPlz]

Bake that cake - “Commie”

How is he a commie when you work for and advocate the positions of an organization that undoubtedly makes most of its money off of the state?

 

[kiddiedoc]

The case with the 6 month old is incredible, and if the baby passes, I hope the parents sue the crap out of the hospital denying life-saving treatment.

Reasons it is ridiculous:
1. There are no studies on mRNA shot adverse effects in post-transplant infants
2. There are no studies demonstrating benefit in transplanted infants after mRNA shots
3. The available mRNA shot does not match the current circulating strains
4. The duration of protection from mRNA shots has now been shown to be quite short in adults
5. The duration of protection (if any exists) is unknown in infants
6. If the mRNA shot does, in fact, induce protection, the immunosuppressive drugs given to the baby after transplant will almost certainly nullify it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The case with the 6 month old is incredible, and if the baby passes, I hope the parents sue the crap out of the hospital denying life-saving treatment.

Reasons it is ridiculous:
1. There are no studies on mRNA shot adverse effects in post-transplant infants
2. There are no studies demonstrating benefit in transplanted infants after mRNA shots
3. The available mRNA shot does not match the current circulating strains
4. The duration of protection from mRNA shots has now been shown to be quite short in adults
5. The duration of protection (if any exists) is unknown in infants
6. If the mRNA shot does, in fact, induce protection, the immunosuppressive drugs given to the baby after transplant will almost certainly nullify it.

Also, assuming the child was born after a 6-9 month gestation period, that means that the parents conceived the baby last June 2021 (before any of these mandates were in place) at the earliest. They should have been at least been offered a grace period. Not saying that these BS procedures or protocols are correct, but at the time of conception, there were no COVID mandates for patients.

 

[BP4Prez]

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[NurseGoodVol]

Thank you for this info as someone with ersd and trying to get a transplant. This is good info

You should know the donors I spoke of a are geographically located in lifenets area of operation. Those geographical determinations are set up like district courts. One organization may cover 2 1/2 states or only 1/2 a state. Depending on your location the organ transplant organization may go by slightly different rules.
I lived in northern Indiana and southern Michigan for years. I had to take classes to be a designated requester for IOPO. It has changed now to strictly calling the organ transplant center when certain triggers occur. Then they contact donor families.
I hope you get a kidney and can end HD. I’ll be praying for just that.