Vaccine or not?

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VolinWayne said:
I am sure you know what I'm implying. At a minimum people should be asking real questions about why there is such a huge increase in cardiac issues.
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People young and old have died from cardiac issues since the beginning of time. But since we’re speculating about how a “healthy” 37 year athlete died, I’d say PEDs are more likely.
 
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VolinWayne said:
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Since the EUA of the jabs on 12/11/2020 age-adjusted all-cause excess mortality has almost tripled.
This is not to be expected if these shots worked, and if the excess mortality is from covid in the first place?!
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This doesn't tell you what it thinks it tells you. There was a huge spike before EUA due to COVID deaths and spike continued as people continued to die from COVID.

Here is a 2 year death chart. The only thing that caused a spike was COVID deaths..
 
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VolinWayne said:
I am sure you know what I'm implying. At a minimum people should be asking real questions about why there is such a huge increase in cardiac issues.
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Except there isn't a huge increase to deaths/cardiac issues. The only thing that caused an increase in deaths in past 2 years is COVID spike. There will be far more deaths/issues from isolation related to no school, etc than will be from vaccine induced cardiac issues...

The shots aren't working now as intended and I'm sure as hell not getting a booster but debunked BS whether from you, mad4vols, or vjcvette will get called out...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Will this be like the other "totally healthy athletes" previously referenced in this thread

Ferguson (fentanyl and cocaine)

Siragusa (morbidly obese)

Swanigan (morbidly obese)
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No I dont think so. His wife seemed genuinely confused about how and why this had to happen. Feel free to find where I mentioned or commented on any one of these three deaths. Why is it wrong for anybody to even bring up the vaccine in these deaths when it is a known fact that myocarditis is a side effect of the jab.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
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This doesn't tell you what it thinks it tells you. There was a huge spike before EUA due to COVID deaths and spike continued as people continued to die from COVID.

Here is a 2 year death chart. The only thing that caused a spike was COVID deaths..
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There has been a steady climb in the other deaths since may of 2021. It's not a spike, but its noticable and continuous, and more than it was during the rest of the pandemic.
 
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VolinWayne said:
No I dont think so. His wife seemed genuinely confused about how and why this had to happen. Feel free to find where I mentioned or commented on any one of these three deaths. Why is it wrong for anybody to even bring up the vaccine in these deaths when it is a known fact that myocarditis is a side effect of the jab.
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I think it was JxnVol. Don't hold me to that who brought up the other 3 deaths...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
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This doesn't tell you what it thinks it tells you. There was a huge spike before EUA due to COVID deaths and spike continued as people continued to die from COVID.

Here is a 2 year death chart. The only thing that caused a spike was COVID deaths..
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What's fascinating to me is according to your very own chart the introduction of covid vaccines did absolutely nothing at all to lower total mortality.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Except there isn't a huge increase to deaths/cardiac issues. The only thing that caused an increase in deaths in past 2 years is COVID spike. There will be far more deaths/issues from isolation related to no school, etc than will be from vaccine induced cardiac issues...

The shots aren't working now as intended and I'm sure as hell not getting a booster but debunked BS whether from you, mad4vols, or vjcvette will get called out...
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The two biggest spikes in non COVID deaths since 2019 are opioids/fentanyl and murders (both of which can probably be indirectly tied to COVID) Everything else other than COVID deaths are real close to historical trend lines...
 
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VolinWayne said:
What's fascinating to me is according to your very own chart the introduction of covid vaccines did absolutely nothing at all to lower total mortality.
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Again, you saw decline start immediately in 2021 with an 8 month decline in COVID deaths from peak as it was being rolled out. You also saw how the vaccine didn't work as much on second wave.

Again, Biden was stupid trying to mandate vax with that trend. He was lying by that point when he said vax=no covid. I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on you but I try to base arguments based on facts. If facts change, opinions can change...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Again, you saw decline start immediately in 2021 with an 8 month decline in COVID deaths from peak as it was being rolled out. You also saw how the vaccine didn't work as much on second wave.

Again, Biden was stupid trying to mandate vax with that trend. He was lying by that point when he said vax=no covid. I don't want it to seem like I'm picking on you but I try to base arguments based on facts. If facts change, opinions can change...
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I don't mind you picking on me at all. Biden was far from the only leader who lied and said a vax= no covid. For months all we heard was this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated and how we don’t deserve to go out in public. I am one of the few who have absolutely not changed my stance in the past 2 years on this. For some reason, since Fauci basically is science, science has changed every 6 weeks. The very things that are now common knowledge in regards to covid were "conspiracy" 1 year ago.
 
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So after reviewing the COVID-19 vaccine mandate for tourists, CDC decided to keep the rule in place.
This is in contradiction to it's latest guidance in treating vaccinated and unvaccinated people equal.
Previously the page showed a notice sign, that the guidance is under review.
Source: COVID-19 and Travel
 
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Wife got a text a couple minutes ago, one of her best friend’s daughter a freshman at Ol Miss is in the hospital with Covid. I don’t know for sure but if I had to guess knowing her mother and father this girl is vaxxed and boosted.
 
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hog88 said:
Wife got a text a couple minutes ago, one of her best friend’s daughter a freshman at Ol Miss is in the hospital with Covid. I don’t know for sure but if I had to guess knowing her mother and father this girl is vaxxed and boosted.
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I’m sorry to hear this. That’s terrible. I hope she is able to be released soon and makes a full recovery.
 
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hog88 said:
Wife got a text a couple minutes ago, one of her best friend’s daughter a freshman at Ol Miss is in the hospital with Covid. I don’t know for sure but if I had to guess knowing her mother and father this girl is vaxxed and boosted.
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I hope the young lady makes a quick and full recovery!
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Wow. Here we go!
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They are so predictable. If I'm being completely honest I will say that I have always had a lot of questions about the way Trump handled the Pandemic. How did he allow Fauci such a platform even after he knew he was a fraud? Even though we now know that the vaccine provides no protection against the new strains Trump still talks about one of his great accomplishments being how quickly he rolled out the vaccines. From what I hear every time he does this at one of his rallies he gets booed. Honestly, If there was ever something they might be able to pin on him this might be it.
 
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BP4Prez said:
They are now blaming Trump for the vaccine. I think we know where this is headed.View attachment 483370
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It's weird, they demonized Trump for 4 straight years, literally Hitler. Then when the Dems take charge they take his biggest move and ramp it up to 11 despite early public calls to not trust it. But they still never reviewed it when they had the chance. They pushed it, ensuring tens more millions got it and the boosters, and now they want to slow down and look at the overall safety? It's way to late for that. They pushed it at least as much as Trump did.
 
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