Vaccine or not?

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BigOrangeMojo said:
To play devil's advocate, that looks very similar and slightly delayed to the US curve. Maybe that decrease and increase was partially attributable to because of lower cases in late summer and fall and more cases in the winter and not primarily due to Ivermectin...

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The article discusses there was a noted difference in excess mortality in states where the government restricted the ise of Ivermectin. In 14 states of Peru having locally administered IVM distributions, the mean reduction in excess deaths over 30 days from peak deaths was 53%, while in Lima, which had minimal IVM distributions during the first wave of the pandemic due to restrictive government policies there, the corresponding 30-day decrease in excess deaths was 25%.
 
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VolinWayne said:
The article discusses there was a noted difference in excess mortality in states where the government restricted the ise of Ivermectin. In 14 states of Peru having locally administered IVM distributions, the mean reduction in excess deaths over 30 days from peak deaths was 53%, while in Lima, which had minimal IVM distributions during the first wave of the pandemic due to restrictive government policies there, the corresponding 30-day decrease in excess deaths was 25%.
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You have to admit seasonality had something to do with the results.

I've learned there's no absolutes with this (i.e. vax or vent)...
 
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kiddiedoc said:
3 professional friends in town (MD, PA, dentist) and I all took ivermectin, either with a first or second CV infection. All 4 of us were significantly better in 24 hours and virtually symptom-free after 48.

I know this is a small/anecdotal sample, but most people have remained symptomatic for longer than that without treatment.

Of course, now we have all developed an insatiable craving for carrots and apples, and we neigh uncontrollably. Small price to pay.
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I took ivermectin with both bouts of covid myself and had 2 extremely mild cases , unvaccinated. And now I can run about 40 mph.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
3 professional friends in town (MD, PA, dentist) and I all took ivermectin, either with a first or second CV infection. All 4 of us were significantly better in 24 hours and virtually symptom-free after 48.

I know this is a small/anecdotal sample, but most people have remained symptomatic for longer than that without treatment.

Of course, now we have all developed an insatiable craving for carrots and apples, and we neigh uncontrollably. Small price to pay.
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Hey you need to add some Oat Hay and Sweet Feed, you will perform better......lol sorry could not pass that one up and you said several pages back to "Lighten Up", and I am wearing a helmet in this picture too!!
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VolinWayne said:
I think it's important to remember that Ivermectin is a very cheap drug and thats not a good thing for big pharma. Check this out and see if maybe it changes your mind. You are entitled to having your own opinion. But sometimes it's good to have an open mind to other opinions and just go with what makes sense.

In Peru, all-cause mortality decreased 14 times following the mass distribution of Ivermectin. Then all-cause mortality increased 13 times after Ivermectin distribution was restricted by the new president.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297521000883#bib19

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In here if you have any other opinion or belief than the present agenda in here, then the name calling starts which is very immature.
 
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utvolpj said:
I need counseling? You fail to answer even the most basic questions about the stance you took

Ventilators were doing more damage and hospitals stopped using it way before Sept of 2021 except in the most extreme cases

So, you still believe that the only choices when combating this deadly virus are vax or ventilator? How do you explain the fact that there are so many unvaccinated still alive in this country?
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I don't have to answer anything, I have posted and posted stats, but nobody else post "Their" proof of anything.
 
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Vjcvette said:
I cannot afford to get covid even once, I cannot miss work and I don't want to get covid over and over if I can
prevent it, or at least I am going to try.
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You still haven't responded to a single item in the list I posted nor any of PJ's very simple questions. Just admit that you followed the arrows in the grocery aisles and we can all move on.
 
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Here’s a CDC chart that says an unvaccinated person is 6 times more likely to die from Covid than someone who is vaccinated.

They’re good at math. 1.51 is 6 times higher than 0.25. (As of 8/28)

But they’re not so good at significance. The chart shows that an unvaccinated person has a 99.9985% chance of survival. A vaccinated person had a 99.99975% chance of survival. There is no overall clinical significance in vaccinating the general population.

I do believe the vaccine has benefits in nursing home settings and in significantly immune compromised people. But clearly not everyone needs vaccination.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
You still haven't responded to a single item in the list I posted nor any of PJ's very simple questions. Just admit that you followed the arrows in the grocery aisles and we can all move on.
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This has been my stance since I first came over here which I have repeated over and over, I am vaccinated and have not had covid thankfully, like I have
said before, people can live with it, get over it or talk about it for the next year, but that is my stance.
 
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Vjcvette said:
This has been my stance since I first came over here which I have repeated over and over, I am vaccinated and have not had covid thankfully, like I have
said before, people can live with it, get over it or talk about it for the next year, but that is my stance.
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If that's all you are saying, then why do you keep dropping by and stirring the pot, while refusing to justify your prior nonsensical posts or answer any questions? I'm pretty sure we are all aware that you've had 5 or more shots and are ready for the rest.
 
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