Vaccine or not?

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Question: Suppose this is the result of an impact that did throw his heart off rhythm. Of the events that may have happened pre-Covid, were those athletes able to return to playing the sport after recovery? Or were they advised to give it up?
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I'd have to check but the ones who died didn't play again
 
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SamRebel35 said:
We'll have to disagree on how much of a stretch it is. We've seen enough "died suddenly" lately that it seems like a stretch to dismiss it out of hand as a possible complicating factor. Don't know why that is considered "bad form". Why is it worse form than speculating that it is a super rare anomaly like commotio cordis?
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How many instances of commotio cordis have we had in the past 2 years?
How many instances of myocarditis/pericarditis have we had in the past 2 years?

Commotio Cordis - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Commotio cordis plays a distressing role as a leading cause of sudden cardiac death in young athletes. Reported cases remain relatively infrequent (less than 30 cases are reported each year), although it is increasingly recognized. The US Commotio Cordis Registry (Minneapolis, MN) has been established to facilitate the aggregation of information.
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SamRebel35 said:
We'll have to disagree on how much of a stretch it is. We've seen enough "died suddenly" lately that it seems like a stretch to dismiss it out of hand as a possible complicating factor. Don't know why that is considered "bad form". Why is it worse form than speculating that it is a super rare anomaly like commotio cordis?
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There have been dozens of examples in this thread where deaths were attributed to the vax that turned out to be completely ridiculous. You'd think it would cause some to pause but it seems to have done the opposite
 
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utvolpj said:
There have been dozens of examples in this thread where deaths were attributed to the vax that turned out to be completely ridiculous. You'd think it would cause some to pause but it seems to have done the opposite
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You telling me the drug addict that died in the crack house wasn't a COVID death?
 
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utvolpj said:
There have been dozens of examples in this thread where deaths were attributed to the vax that turned out to be completely ridiculous.
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All that may be true. Still doesn't mean that asking the question is unwarranted just because several instances turned out to be ridiculous. I would say that the deaths that are still lingering as mysterious outnumber the ones you point out as being ridiculous.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
All that may be true. Still doesn't mean that asking the question is unwarranted just because a several instances turned out to be ridiculous. I would say that the deaths that are still lingering as mysterious outnumber the ones you point out as being ridiculous.
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Asking after every death or injury is the ridiculous part. Even when the cause is likely known its always "hey, can I not just ask the question?"

It cheapens any real discussion that could be had
 
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It's fair to look at a large dataset over a period of time to see if a trend can't be explained away from natural pre-COVID reasons. It's not fair to say every death of someone under 65 is due to the vax or drawing conclusions from an extremely limited dataset...
 
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CC usually occurs after a high impact force to the chest by a small, usually round object (baseball, hockey puck, fist). Cardiac conditions such as myocarditis or HCM would increase risk. I have not heard of a football injury causing it, but I will dig deeper.

FTR, I never said that the shots caused what happened last night. We likely saw a player die with our very own eyes, and if there is something that could be done to screen for the risk of it happening again, it should be considered. Athletes routinely get pre- participation echos and EKGs at the start of their careers. Even if the risk of post-mRNA shot myocarditis is small, I would rescreen before further participation.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
CC usually occurs after a high impact force to the chest by a small, usually round object (baseball, hockey puck, fist). Cardiac conditions such as myocarditis or HCM would increase risk. I have not heard of a football injury causing it, but I will dig deeper.

FTR, I never said that the shots caused what happened last night. We likely saw a player die with our very own eyes, and if there is something that could be done to screen for the risk of it happening again, it should be considered. Athletes routinely get pre- participation echos and EKGs at the start of their careers. Even if the risk of post-mRNA shot myocarditis is small, I would rescreen before further participation.
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Would Higgins helmet be considered a "round object"?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
FTR, I never said that the shots caused what happened last night. We likely saw a player die with our very own eyes, and if there is something that could be done to screen for the risk of it happening again, it should be considered. Athletes routinely get pre- participation echos and EKGs at the start of their careers. Even if the risk of post-mRNA shot myocarditis is small, I would rescreen before further participation.
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I can't imagine this not seeming a reasonable POV.
 
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utvolpj said:
There have been dozens of examples in this thread where deaths were attributed to the vax that turned out to be completely ridiculous. You'd think it would cause some to pause but it seems to have done the opposite
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We can explain away many of the examples. But the number of professional athletes who have died from heart problems recently is absolutely staggering. You can't just wave your hands and dismiss 66 dead professional athletes. Here's a database of athletes who all have had some form of sudden heart issues. You can filter by outcome and level of athlete. If you filter "pro" with an outcome of "death" there are 66 in one single year. That's outrageous and even more outrageous that you would chastise someone for pointing it out.

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utvolpj said:
Asking after every death or injury is the ridiculous part. Even when the cause is likely known its always "hey, can I not just ask the question?"

It cheapens any real discussion that could be had
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Your concern and disdain should be directed at the institutions and govts that made us have to have these discussions in the first place... not at the people questioning why young people are passing out and dying. Those guys made the vaccine a divisive and toxic subject. Had it not been for their antics, we wouldn't be here right now.
 
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Electric Orange said:
I'm not blaming it with 100% certainty on the vaccine, but I do think possible connections should be researched. There will be actual medical tests run correct? We're not just all gonna vote with our current best guess or most likely probable answer right? View attachment 528781
It's not an evil question like some are pretending to be outraged over. It's a possible factor though, worthy of proving or disproving.
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No, it isn't an evil question but it is disingenuous to ask it in this case. The same way a head on collision causing death doesn't qualify to ask that question. The issue for Damar's situation, is what will the NFL mandate now about chest protection? Lacrosse at the High School and College level mandate chest plates whereas they used to only require upper shoulder protection.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Well, this is the vaccine thread.
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... which has a known risk of myocarditis. Do you deny that? It's well published, admitted by Pfizer, and has caused some countries to stop administering the shot to younger people.

You just saw an arrhythmia likely kill a player last night. Anyone who doesn't think we should AT LEAST consider screening for risk to other athletes has their head in their ass.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your concern and disdain should be directed at the institutions and govts that made us have to have these discussions in the first place... not at the people questioning why young people are passing out and dying. Those guys made the vaccine a divisive and toxic subject. Had it not been for their antics, we wouldn't be here right now.
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Don't move the goal posts Ras. I guess you blame a life long smoker on believing what the government used to say about smoking? Be a man and stop having the discussion when it isn't warranted.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
No, it isn't an evil question but it is disingenuous to ask it in this case. The same way a head on collision causing death doesn't qualify to ask that question. The issue for Damar's situation, is what will the NFL mandate now about chest protection? Lacrosse at the High School and College level mandate chest plates whereas they used to only require upper shoulder protection.
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Interestingly (and somewhat surprisingly) chest wall protectors have not been shown to prevent CC.
 
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utvolpj said:
There have been dozens of examples in this thread where deaths were attributed to the vax that turned out to be completely ridiculous. You'd think it would cause some to pause but it seems to have done the opposite
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This! Why is it the first thing that comes up is the Vax for everything?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Interestingly (and somewhat surprisingly) chest wall protectors have not been shown to prevent CC.
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They probably won't from massive blunt force trauma but with something like a lacrosse ball they do. The Lax protection is from a 100+ mph shot vs. a 200 lb. defense man putting you on your ass.
 
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