Vaccine or not?

[kiddiedoc]

According to world renowned MD Peter McCulough (one of the many doctors who got sensored by twitter)

He was only world-renowned until he voiced concerns with mRNA shot safety, primarily due to possible cardiac complications, which are obviously impossible and not happening.

 

[VolinWayne]

He was only world-renowned until he voiced concerns with mRNA shot safety, primarily due to possible cardiac complications, which are obviously impossible and not happening.

Yep......and years and years of exemplary study and work now suddenly mean nothing.

 

[Electric Orange]

Report: At Least 769 Recently Vaxxed Athletes Collapsed Last Year During Competition

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Report: At Least 769 Recently Vaxxed Athletes Collapsed Last Year During Competition

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yep......and years and years of exemplary study and work now suddenly mean nothing.

Cancel culture at its finest.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Report: At Least 769 Recently Vaxxed Athletes Collapsed Last Year During Competition

"In fact, 500% more soccer players in the EU are dropping dead from heart attacks than just one year ago.” The time period referenced is March 2021 - March 2022

So, was the 500% increase in the number of deaths due to the vax or the fact that little to no professional soccer was played in Europe from March 2020 to March 2021?

What's the apples to apples comparison of the 769 to 2019?

 

[VolinWayne]

EXCLUSIVE: CDC Finds Hundreds of Safety Signals for Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines

 

[NurseGoodVol]

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Exactly how many lies is that?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

1616 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 1114 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection - Real Science

 

[TheDirector]

Anti vaxxers really want their “told you so” moment

I didn't get the Vax. I don't believe what happened last night was due to the Vax. I already had my "told you so" moment several times over.
- In August more people died from Covid who were Vaxxed and Boosted than not
- I rode in a car for 2 hours with a coworker whose wife had just had Covid. He called me that night and said he tested positive. I tested negative the next day and 5 days later but had to stay home anyway due to company policy
- Fauci and Biden have changed their recommendations for masks a couple times and whether the vaccine prevented spread
- The Johnson and Johnson vaccine was paused then the other vaccines were encouraged by the "experts" as an alternative to the J&J Vaccine
etc etc etc ... ... ...

 

[Electric Orange]

Exactly how many lies is that?

The count is difficult to keep up with

 

[Orangeslice13]

"In fact, 500% more soccer players in the EU are dropping dead from heart attacks than just one year ago.” The time period referenced is March 2021 - March 2022

So, was the 500% increase in the number of deaths due to the vax or the fact that little to no professional soccer was played in Europe from March 2020 to March 2021?

What's the apples to apples comparison of the 769 to 2019?

I prefer to compare oranges

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’ll just leave this here as food for thought.
Supplements for athletes: Experts call for caution

 

[Orangeslice13]

For the record
My grandfather on my mothers side died at 62 suddenly
My mother’s sister died in her sleep at 65
My mother has some issues that have been watched for years 81
I’ve been seeing a cardiologist since 49 for palpitations
I’m 53. If you’ve seen my other threads you know I’ve got other weird **** that flares up from time to time and the Drs are at a loss as to why.

If I die suddenly…..it wasn’t the vaccine.

Just putting that out there so if I go someone doesn’t try to spin my death into something it isn’t

 

[hog88]

For the record
My grandfather on my mothers side died at 62 suddenly
My mother’s sister died in her sleep at 65
My mother has some issues that have been watched for years 81
I’ve been seeing a cardiologist since 49 for palpitations
I’m 53. If you’ve seen my other threads you know I’ve got other weird **** that flares up from time to time and the Drs are at a loss as to why.

If I die suddenly…..it wasn’t the vaccine.

Just putting that out there so if I go someone doesn’t try to spin my death into something it isn’t

We know it wasn't the vax if you die suddenly, it would be because you finally pissed Red off for the last time.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

We know it wasn't the vax if you die suddenly, it would be because you finally pissed Red off for the last time.

And there isn't a jury in this country that would convict her either....ha ha

 

[SamRebel35]

For the record
My grandfather on my mothers side died at 62 suddenly
My mother’s sister died in her sleep at 65
My mother has some issues that have been watched for years 81
I’ve been seeing a cardiologist since 49 for palpitations
I’m 53. If you’ve seen my other threads you know I’ve got other weird **** that flares up from time to time and the Drs are at a loss as to why.

If I die suddenly…..it wasn’t the vaccine.

Just putting that out there so if I go someone doesn’t try to spin my death into something it isn’t

Don't worry. We'll never confuse you for a 24 year old professional athlete in his physical prime. Old geezers like you die all the time.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Don't worry. We'll never confuse you for a 24 year old professional athlete in his physical prime. Old geezers like you die all the time.

Ya, that didn’t stop this thread from jumping on a 65 year old exercise guru
Just saying.

By the way. The cardiologist at Chattanooga Heart institute say there’s no significant difference in deaths from cardiac related issues outside the 2% increase that’s happened every year since 2000. In fact they say the unregulated over the counter performance supplements are a much bigger problem.

But what do they know

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Don't worry. We'll never confuse you for a 24 year old professional athlete in his physical prime. Old geezers like you die all the time.

Slice is as young as some of the people in your "study" earlier....

 

[SoilVol]

This might get moved to the politics thread but I cannot believe (or maybe I can) that Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest (Commotio cordis) is getting blamed on Covid booster shots.

For Heaven's sakes people... he got hit in the chest and it stopped his heart. This is a rare, but well-known freak phenomenon. Idc what you believe about the vaccines, the vaxx didn't do that. Totally possible he doesn't even have the booster.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

1616 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 1114 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection - Real Science

A thing I've learned about stats. You don't want medical doctors dealing with numbers and you don't want numbers people providing medical services.

Here are my concerns with what you referenced. Not oranges to oranges (@Orangeslice13) The Maron article embedded in your article clearly states data collection was much more limited until mid 90s. In the final year of the study (2006), there were 76 sudden cardiac deaths in the US for those 19 and under. The U.S. population (the denominator) was 298 million in 2006 and was age limited.

Your article shows 1616 cardiac Arrests and 1100+ deaths over almost 2 years. It includes people all over the world (denominator of 7.9 billion), includes former athletes up to their 80s, includes non athletes with prior health issues (Mike Leach), includes people with prior known seizure/cardio issues.

Again, your article is comparing apples to tangerines to oranges to grapefruits....

 

[SamRebel35]

Slice is as young as some of the people in your "study" earlier....

What I posted was not a "study" but a database. And I filtered it to find the 66 professional athletes who died from heart issues, and they were all younger than Slice. In fact, all but 4 of them were younger than 40.

 

[n_huffhines]

I remember when these lists first started going around and I looked up the first American-sounding name I found on the list, and it was a guy who had a cardiac incident on the court in college basketball before and then after Covid, so they were counting him...then the 2nd American name was Hank Aaron...so then I moved on with my life.

First name on that list of 1,616:

Nik Mohd Faiz Nik Mohd Azmi (37), amateur runner and university lecturer collapsed just before the finish line of the Langkawi half marathon. He was resuscitated but died on the way to hospital. News Story News Story2 News Story3

An amateur runner died? ****, I knew an amateur runner in 2012 who died of cardiac arrest and he wasn't quite 35. This **** happens, and when you count "amateur runners" around the world as "athletes", then you're just trying to make a big list and you don't actually care about the truth.

If anybody has a legit list that can actually demonstrate irregular numbers for otherwise healthy people, I'd be happy to look at it, but there is so much BS out there.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Ya, that didn’t stop this thread from jumping on a 65 year old exercise guru
Just saying.

By the way. The cardiologist at Chattanooga Heart institute say there’s no significant difference in deaths from cardiac related issues outside the 2% increase that’s happened every year since 2000. In fact they say the unregulated over the counter performance supplements are a much bigger problem.

But what do they know

LOL there's a shocker. Taking unregulated supplements because some body builder recommends it couldn't possibly have any negative repercussions.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Here's the deal, and I will end my discussion about athletes with this:

Evidence-based medicine requires us to explore all possibilities and entertain differing ideas in order to find "truth," effective treatment measures, and prevention strategies.

In this case, there is one side that says "because we now know that mRNA shots have been linked to myocarditis and vascular inflammation, it would be prudent to perform noninvasive screening exams on athletes and other people whose professions put them at increased risk for a major cardiac event." The other has accepted that adverse events from the shots are extremely rare and that we don't need to worry about long-term complications.

Say we DO go ahead and screen all competitive athletes who have either had the shots/boosters (details of which should be recorded for data/research purposes) or known CV19 infection:

If the former side turns out to be correct, we might avoid an untold number of needless deaths and/or be able to develop effective treatments to reverse or limit any damage to the myocardium.

If the latter group is right, yes, it cost a little money, but now the athletes have reassurance that their hearts are in good shape after a normal echo and EKG, and we can put an end to the debate about possible heart damage.

I'm sorry, but this is a no-brainer.