Vaccine or not?

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SpaceCoastVol said:
LOL there's a shocker. Taking unregulated supplements because some body builder recommends it couldn't possibly have any negative repercussions.
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Several of the products popular with even children contain extremely high levels of caffeine, synephrine, beta alanine, and other ephedrine-like stimulants.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
A thing I've learned about stats. You don't want medical doctors dealing with numbers and you don't want numbers people providing medical services.

Here are my concerns with what you referenced. Not oranges to oranges (@Orangeslice13) The Maron article embedded in your article clearly states data collection was much more limited until mid 90s. In the final year of the study (2006), there were 76 sudden cardiac deaths in the US for those 19 and under. The U.S. population (the denominator) was 298 million in 2006 and was age limited.

Your article shows 1616 cardiac Arrests and 1100+ deaths over almost 2 years. It includes people all over the world (denominator of 7.9 billion), includes former athletes up to their 80s, includes non athletes with prior health issues (Mike Leach), includes people with prior known seizure/cardio issues.

Again, your article is comparing apples to tangerines to oranges to grapefruits....
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I was aware. It includes healthy young athletes dying for no reason, not those dying in the general pop of 7.9b. Exclude the ones you want to, an number of young athletes are still dropping dead at a historically high rate.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I was aware. It includes healthy young athletes dying for no reason, not those dying in the general pop of 7.9b. Exclude the ones you want to, an number of young athletes are still dropping dead at a historically high rate.
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I used to work with professional phone thumb tappers. They were highly trained and skilled athletes. They could get out of bed by 10 am, whine and complain about having to be at work so early, and leave early to make up for coming in late.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I was aware. It includes healthy young athletes dying for no reason, not those dying in the general pop of 7.9b. Exclude the ones you want to, an number of young athletes are still dropping dead at a historically high rate.
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76 healthy young athletes (under 19) died in a country of 300MM in 2006 due to documented sudden cardiac death while participating in a sporting event.

1100 current and former athletes of all ages (and some non athletes) on a planet with 7.9 billion people died in 2021 and 2022. Some died of noted other reasons. Many did not die during the event. Many did not have exact cause of death listed but was listed as sudden. Some were pirates who never even played sports. Some were born during the Great Depression.

You can do the math on the death rates between those two. It won't help your case.

A non apples to apples comparison is as useless as tits on a bull.
 
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This is no different than saying there's a 500% increase in Euro players during soccer games from 03/2021-03/2022 (as compared to 03/2020-03/2021 - when very few professional games were played due to the stupid lockdown rules).
 
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For those of you who think it's a sin to even question big pharma and the safety of one of their products perhaps a brief review of their history and the fines they have had to pay would help you understand our perspective and why we don't always trust them. Let's start with Phyzer

25/ Pfizer has habitually engaged in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribed physicians, and suppressed adverse trial results.

This is no secret, yet this fact continues to be brushed under the rug and big government, big tech, and big media banned scientific criticism of Pfizer's covid-19 vaccines.

 
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In 1996, Pfizer gave an experimental drug to 200 Nigerian children without informing their parents that an approved cure existed or that their children were subjects of a medical experiment.

Eleven children died.

Others suffered brain damage, organ failure, or paralysis.

 
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In 2007, the Nigerian government sued Pfizer for $7 billion and accused the company of "carrying out illegal trials" that "killed or disabled children."

Nigeria claimed Pfizer did not inform local health authorities or parents that the children were part of an experiment.

 
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In 2010, leaked State Department cables alleged that Pfizer had hired investigators to blackmail Nigeria's Attorney General into dropping the $7 billion lawsuit against Pfizer.

 
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VolinWayne said:
For those of you who think it's a sin to even question big pharma and the safety of one of their products perhaps a brief review of their history and the fines they have had to pay would help you understand our perspective and why we don't always trust them. Let's start with Phyzer

25/ Pfizer has habitually engaged in illegal and corrupt marketing practices, bribed physicians, and suppressed adverse trial results.

This is no secret, yet this fact continues to be brushed under the rug and big government, big tech, and big media banned scientific criticism of Pfizer's covid-19 vaccines.

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It's fair to question big pharma. Just needs to be done in an intellectually honest way. Trying to compare apples to watermelons isn't the way. Saying every under 65 death is the vax isn't the way. Throwing everything including the kitchen sink to juice the numbers isn't the way. Look at trends on a large scale, try to explain any variances outside of a margin for error and go from there. This happened once with the waning effectiveness of the vax.

For example, if a blood cancer in the US increased 20% from 2022 to 2023 that would be an example of a worrisome vax trend. A trend that is substantiated on comparing 18 year old athletes dying on the field to Mike Leach and Henry Aaron isn't...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
It's fair to question big pharma. Just needs to be done in an intellectually honest way. Trying to compare apples to watermelons isn't the way. Saying every under 65 death is the vax isn't the way. Throwing everything including the kitchen sink to juice the numbers isn't the way. Look at trends on a large scale, try to explain any variances outside of a margin for error and go from there. This happened once with the waning effectiveness of the vax.

For example, if a blood cancer in the US increased 20% from 2022 to 2023 that would be an example of a worrisome vax trend. A trend that is substantiated on comparing 18 year old athletes dying on the field to Mike Leach and Henry Aaron isn't...
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Fair enough. For what its worth I have rarely brought up sudden deaths that have happened in older adults.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
If the anti-vax people are right, the government won't be able to hide it for long. You will see it pretty quickly in Death reports, cancer reports, insurance rates.
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I wouldn't count on it. Heck, we couldn't even get a clear answer on what percentage of people that died or were hospitalized "with CV19" were actually due to something else and it was incidentally found. I know in the pediatric world, it was around 50%.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I wouldn't count on it. Heck, we couldn't even get a clear answer on what percentage of people that died or were hospitalized "with CV19" were actually due to something else and it was incidentally found. I know in the pediatric world, it was around 50%.
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You will (if it's the case of material increase in morbidity). It happened with the waning of the vax's effectivness. Too much data out there to hide it for too long and a couple of months with outlier results and you see insurance companies hike life insurance premiums pretty quickly...
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
LOL there's a shocker. Taking unregulated supplements because some body builder recommends it couldn't possibly have any negative repercussions.
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Smfh.
It’s not just bodybuilders……it’s all athletes at all levels looking for an advantage.
The guys at CHI no their ****. You, not so much
 
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SoilVol said:
It's being reported already that commotio cordis is the likely cause based on the evidence - per input from medical experts all over the country. Just for clarification, are you making this comment because you believe it's possible it was caused by the booster shot? Or were you just not aware that it's nearly a foregone conclusion what the cause was?

Commotio cordis is the second-leading cause of cardiac arrest in young athletes. It's possible he had another undiagnosed condition, but with all the medical evaluations done at the college and professional level its unlikely a different condition was missed.
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It’s not being diagnosed….. it can only bring disgnosed by the doctors treating him…the rest is just a guesstimate…. I agree that I think it is probably commotio cordis but it is far from a foregone conclusion….. I work in healthcare and the worst mistake that medical professionals make is to go into a situation with what they consider to be the diagnosis without running all the proper tests…. Hopefully these doctors will be non-biased and run all the tests to find out what happened to him…. As for the booster shots…. It does seem like more athletes are having ailments…. Not sure if it’s from COVID, vaccines, or complete made up in my head. I would like to know the answer to that question.
 
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volbeast33 said:
It’s not being diagnosed….. it can only bring disgnosed by the doctors treating him…the rest is just a guesstimate…. I agree that I think it is probably commotio cordis but it is far from a foregone conclusion….. I work in healthcare and the worst mistake that medical professionals make is to go into a situation with what they consider to be the diagnosis without running all the proper tests…. Hopefully these doctors will be non-biased and run all the tests to find out what happened to him…. As for the booster shots…. It does seem like more athletes are having ailments…. Not sure if it’s from COVID, vaccines, or complete made up in my head. I would like to know the answer to that question.
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Seems like? 1100 athletes have dropped dead since the mrna editing shot came out
Birdflu vaccine had a 1 in 100,000 adverse effect and was taken off the market
Covid 19 shot with luciferase?
1 in 800

I will remain in the control group

#clotshot
 
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I need some guidance for understanding the new developments in this thread.

Am I supposed to forget that “young healthy people have nothing to fear from Covid” or forget that Covid is roughly 7 times more likely to cause myocarditis?
 
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