Vaccine or not?

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VolinWayne said:
That statement is pretty much you in a nutshell.
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Well, in fairness to me, I’ve been asking for a source for the claim that vaccines cause more myocarditis than the actual Covid virus for nearly 24 hours and you’re the 4th or 5th individual to choose butthurt whining over actually saying anything meaningful.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Well, in fairness to me, I’ve been asking for a source for the claim that vaccines cause more myocarditis than the actual Covid virus for nearly 24 hours and you’re the 4th or 5th individual to choose butthurt whining over actually saying anything meaningful.
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Well in fairness we have either been intentionally lied to or they just dont know and lied to.

Been a lot of GIGO regurgitated by the USG and no disputing that.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
What study am I pointing out? I don’t think I linked to it. So you decided it was dubious without knowing what it said?

Sorry, but I met my quota for that kind of conversation with tiny fists and the guy who called everybody smooth brain.
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No you didn't link to it. You just mentioned it in your post.

Without reading it, it sounds suspect just from a common sense standpoint. How can engaging in two risky activities be safer than only engaging in one? How can having two bad things happen to you be better than only having one of them happen. That is the narrative that you want us to believe.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Well in fairness we have either been intentionally lied to or they just dont know and lied to.

Been a lot of GIGO regurgitated by the USG and no disputing that.
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I’m sure you’ve been lied to, but some of it is exaggerated BS that people wanted to hear. The “liability shield” comes to mind as a pretty staggering lie by omission, but a bunch of posters ate that lie up and defended it in the face of a 35 year old law that proved it false. Nobody runs around cawing about that instance of being lied to. The selective outrage makes it hard to feel any sympathy.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Well, in fairness to me, I’ve been asking for a source for the claim that vaccines cause more myocarditis than the actual Covid virus for nearly 24 hours and you’re the 4th or 5th individual to choose butthurt whining over actually saying anything meaningful.
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Butthurt whining?
 
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bigorange16 said:
So nothing has actually happened to the guy, but if it does he already believes it was the vax. Must have taken a few too many hits to the head.
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Actually, he makes it pretty clear that's what happened to him is that several people around him have died recently without explanation. That will have an effect on someone, and many people would critically think about what the cause might be, allowing all possibilities.

As is obvious in this thread, some people either refuse to think and consider alternatives to the narrative they were fed , are scared to admit the possibility they've been duped, or are just unable to engage in that type of reasoning.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Actually, he makes it pretty clear that's what happened to him is that several people around him have died recently without explanation. That will have an effect on someone, and many people would critically think about what the cause might be, allowing all possibilities.

As is obvious in this thread, some people either refuse to think and consider alternatives to the narrative they were fed , are scared to admit the possibility they've been duped, or are just unable to engage in that type of reasoning.
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Or maybe he’s a dummy that believes every conspiracy that pops up on his phone so he attributes every death or health issue he sees to the vax. Like what has been going on in this thread.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
See my final sentence above
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Of course. If anyone disagrees with you they’ve been “duped” or are “unable to engage”

The only thing that’s been made obvious in this thread is that this is the absolute dumbest corner of the internet, and you’re the resident MD. Congrats!
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Well, in fairness to me, I’ve been asking for a source for the claim that vaccines cause more myocarditis than the actual Covid virus for nearly 24 hours
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Since when is the threshold for the vaccine "does it do more harm then the disease?" That is pure stupidity.
 
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bigorange16 said:
Of course. If anyone disagrees with you they’ve been “duped” or are “unable to engage”

The only thing that’s been made obvious in this thread is that this is the absolute dumbest corner of the internet, and you’re the resident MD. Congrats!
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You brought our average way down.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No you didn't link to it. You just mentioned it in your post.

Without reading it, it sounds suspect just from a common sense standpoint. How can engaging in two risky activities be safer than only engaging in one? How can having two bad things happen to you be better than only having one of them happen. That is the narrative that you want us to believe.
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I can honestly say I don’t care what you (plural) believe; what decisions you make based on those beliefs; or what befalls you, good or bad, as a result of those decisions.

At this point, I don’t know whether the efficacy of the vaccine is sufficient to reduce the risks of myocarditis from Covid to amount to a net decrease in overall risk, particularly given the decrease in severity of Covid, but if you take blood pressure medication then do you think you have just added the risk of the medication’s side effects to your own risk profile without decreasing the risks from long term hypertension? That’s pretty basic life knowledge, isn’t it?
 
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bigorange16 said:
Of course. If anyone disagrees with you they’ve been “duped” or are “unable to engage”

The only thing that’s been made obvious in this thread is that this is the absolute dumbest corner of the internet, and you’re the resident MD. Congrats!
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How about this, since you are obviously smarter than me: can your read a chart?

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"Scenario 3" is a relativity low level of transmission (where we have been for quite some time in the U.S.). Remember that at least half of the "CV19 Hospitalizations" are for reasons other than CV, and most of the real ones have been for overnight observation in children.

If you need me to dumb it down: Pfizer has demonstrated that the vaccine causes more cases of myocarditis than it prevents ICU admissions, and in males even more cases of myocarditis than total hospitalizations with a CV19 diagnosis when transmission is low.

Remember also that this data was based on the initial variant(s), and the newer, weaker strains are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to result in hospitalization. If this chart was re-run today, every group would absolutely be more at risk from the vaccine than hospitalization with CV.
 
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bigorange16 said:
The only thing that’s been made obvious in this thread is that this is the absolute dumbest corner of the internet, and you’re the resident MD. Congrats!
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I know you aren't a regular in the thread, so I'll refresh a list of the stances that I have held to and was ridiculed for since 2020. Feel free to continue your lame-ass pathetic attack:

- CV19 does not pose serious risk to the younger, healthy population
- closing down schools and extracurricular activities will not end a respiratory pandemic and will cause a number of harmful effects on children (educational loss, mental health problems, decreased physical fitness)
- mRNA shots will not eliminate a respiratory virus nor prevent mutations, and they could even increase the development of new variants
- mRNA shots have both known and possibly unknown adverse effects
- cloth and surgical masks do not effectively stop the transmission of respiratory viruses, and they may cause adverse effects if worn for prolonged amounts of time
- the CV19 virus had very strange features, and both these and its area of origin strongly suggest that it was engineered
- our own government and its agencies have repeatedly lied about the origin of the virus, control methods, the testing and safety of vaccines, and the eventual outcome of the pandemic
- several safe treatment modalities have been shown to be effective in certain trials, but they have been disparaged and mislabeled by the government, largely due to influence by large pharmaceutical corporations

Edit: extra points today for #3. I assume you guys have read those studies from the past week about # of shots/boosters possibly driving mutations/ variants?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
How about this, since you are obviously smarter than me: can your read a chart?

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"Scenario 3" is a relativity low level of transmission (where we have been for quite some time in the U.S.). Remember that at least half of the "CV19 Hospitalizations" are for reasons other than CV, and most of the real ones have been for overnight observation in children.

If you need me to dumb it down: Pfizer has demonstrated that the vaccine causes more cases of myocarditis than it prevents ICU admissions, and in males even more cases of myocarditis than total hospitalizations with a CV19 diagnosis when transmission is low.

Remember also that this data was based on the initial variant(s), and the newer, weaker strains are SIGNIFICANTLY less likely to result in hospitalization. If this chart was re-run today, every group would absolutely be more at risk from the vaccine than hospitalization with CV.
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Lol what? I responded to a tweet you posted from a “NFL player” saying he 100% thinks the vax caused heart issues that he doesn’t even have, and now you’re showing me some random chart about 5-11 year olds? Man, you are really in the weeds on this one. You should seriously consider taking a break from the internet.
 
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One additional question: even if the prevented hospitalizations and vaccine-associated myocarditis cases were similar in number, would you rather your child develop myocarditis or be admitted for observation/a day of oxygen due to CV19 infection?
 
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bigorange16 said:
Lol what? I responded to a tweet you posted from a “NFL player” saying he 100% thinks the vax caused heart issues that he doesn’t even have, and now you’re showing me some random chart about 5-11 year olds? Man, you are really in the weeds on this one. You should seriously consider taking a break from the internet.
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I already explained that to you: he has lost several people around him without explanation and just watched a player die on the field after a hit, which has literally never happened before. That makes a person (with a brain) think.

There has been an argument raised that myocarditis risk is much higher from the virus than the vaccine. The Pfizer analysis says "no."

Now, smartypants, go through my list and refute my stupid points.
 
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bigorange16 said:
Lol what? I responded to a tweet you posted from a “NFL player” saying he 100% thinks the vax caused heart issues that he doesn’t even have, and now you’re showing me some random chart about 5-11 year olds? Man, you are really in the weeds on this one. You should seriously consider taking a break from the internet.
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Not smart enough to read the chart?
 
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