Vaccine or not?

[BigOrangeMojo]

Awww did Little Partisan hack Lyle have another thought....

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Did this get posted here? This stuff is absolutely whack. When the bureaucrats are starting to cover their asses you know something's up.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/moderna-bivalent-transparency/index.html

Agree 100% here. This was same time they were trying to hide waning effectiveness in vax.

Again, the Biden Administration screwed the pooch big time here trying to force a mandate with all this conflicting info out there.

 

[VOLS INC.]

You really are a terrible person.

Your fellow Death Celebrator already posted the sad news and was immediately shot down.

I know this is confusing since your last Eulogy was actually a year old and died from PCP.

Yep.

I’ve never used the ignore feature. EL just continues to prove how disgusting and distasteful human beings can be. “Owning” the libs for us is a funny meme, or a “Let’s Go Brandon” campaign. In contrast, “owning maga” for her is celebrating someone’s death. It’s evil. Time to ignore it.

 

[Jxn Vol]

This is what happens when a shot is pushed by the government when there’re is no long term safety data on the aforementioned shot.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Another clarification: there is no TB vaccine currently used in the U.S., and there is no vaccine for Group A Streptococcus, the causative agent for scarlet fever. So, not sure you can blame "anti-vaxxers."

I know you are allergic to facts, but here it is. Proceed to ignore sources, as Trumpines prefer to do.
Tuberculosis (TB) - Questions and Answers About TB

 

[WoodsmanVol]

To clarify: when and which particular vaccines were ever "mandated" for babies?

When I say babies, I mean children, but you knew that, right?
State Mandates on Immunization and Vaccine-Preventable Diseases: Hepatitis B

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Yes and do you think those vaccines and the MRNA vaccine are very comparable to each other? I'm sure you read the entire (blank) packet that details all of the side effects etc when you got your covid vaccine.

Typical Trumpine duck and cover reply.

 

[VolinWayne]

Typical Trumpine duck and cover reply.

The irony in your response is noted.

 

[VolinWayne]

Typical Trumpine duck and cover reply.

Serious question. You don't think it's the least bit suspicious that the covid vaccines have blank inserts.

With each package of 'vaccines' the FDA and 42 USC 300aa requires that a package insert like this be included.

https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines, blood & biologics/published/package-insert-recombivax-hb.pdf

Package inserts are intended to give the administrating healthcare professional the information they need in order to fulfill the legal requirements to achieve informed consent.

They include how to report to VAERS, contraindications, warnings, post marketing adverse events, cited research, dosage for age and weight, and important stuff like that, that is supposed to be available to every potential recipient.

 

[Orangeslice13]

As soon as word got out that ivermectin was being used successfully in other nations and by some physicians in the U.S., there was an IMMEDIATE smear campaign against the inexpensive, safe medication which had already been shown to have antiviral properties.

For those (including some on this board) that got on board the "dangerous, horse paste" train: how do you feel when you read that piece? Are you not left with any questions? Could there be any motive to squash a cheap alternative to the mRNA shots and ridiculously-expensive (and ineffective) Remdesivir?

Here’s my problem with ivermectin. It hasn’t been able to be proven effective Vs Covid in a clinical study. (That I’m aware of) I’ve said over and over that is safe with minimal downside so if a person wants to try it they should be allowed too but I’ve been attacked for simply pointing out that it has failed in studies.

The most recent example
Ivermectin shown ineffective in treating COVID-19, according to multi-site study including KU Medical Center

Effect of Ivermectin vs Placebo on Time to Sustained Recovery in Outpatients With Mild to Moderate COVID-19

Edit: it also has been proven to not be harmful so if you and your doctor are for it then it should be available

 

[VolinWayne]

FDA Failed to Present NEJM Study to Advisors Before Voting to Recommend Bivalent Boosters

The study showed more people became infected with the bivalent boosters (3.2%) than the people who received the original booster shot (1.9%).

The U.S. government spent $5B on these shots, which showed to be LESS efficacious than the previous COVID jabs.

FDA vaccine advisers 'disappointed' and 'angry' that early data about new Covid-19 booster shot wasn't presented for review last year | CNN

 

[Orangeslice13]

FDA Failed to Present NEJM Study to Advisors Before Voting to Recommend Bivalent Boosters

The study showed more people became infected with the bivalent boosters (3.2%) than the people who received the original booster shot (1.9%).

The U.S. government spent $5B on these shots, which showed to be LESS efficacious than the previous COVID jabs.

FDA vaccine advisers 'disappointed' and 'angry' that early data about new Covid-19 booster shot wasn't presented for review last year | CNN

Political BS spin.
They are not “disappointed “ or “angry”. Nearly every infectious disease expert was say that as the Covid virus mutates it produces too many variants to keep up with and the boosters would be less and less effective over time. They knew then and now they want to cover there ass like what they did wasn’t political

 

[kiddiedoc]

I know you are allergic to facts, but here it is. Proceed to ignore sources, as Trumpines prefer to do.
Tuberculosis (TB) - Questions and Answers About TB

What in the world are you talking about? Are you really posting a CDC page in rebuttal? You do realize I am a physician, right?? Are you arguing that we vaccinate against TB in the US, or that there is a vaccine for scarlet fever? I'm confused.

From your "source" link:

BCG is a vaccine for TB. This vaccine is not widely used in the United States. Many people born outside of the United States have received the BCG TB vaccine.

It is often given to infants and small children in other countries where TB is more common. It protects children in those countries from getting severe forms of TB disease, such as TB meningitis. The BCG TB vaccine is not thought to protect people from getting TB disease in the lungs, which is the most common form of disease in the United States.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Here’s my problem with ivermectin. It hasn’t been able to be proven effective Vs Covid in a clinical study. (That I’m aware of) I’ve said over and over that is safe with minimal downside so if a person wants to try it they should be allowed too but I’ve been attacked for simply pointing out that it has failed in studies.

The most recent example
Ivermectin shown ineffective in treating COVID-19, according to multi-site study including KU Medical Center

Effect of Ivermectin vs Placebo on Time to Sustained Recovery in Outpatients With Mild to Moderate COVID-19

Edit: it also has been proven to not be harmful so if you and your doctor are for it then it should be available

To clarify: my point was not to comment on the efficacy of ivermectin (which some studies have actually demonstrated, but there is so much BS influence from pharma $$$, that I'm not sure I trust they are receiving appropriate attention). I was trying to elucidate the obvious narrative-pushing when every news outlet immediately branded it as "horse paste" and dangerous.

It's literally one of the most life- and disability- saving drugs on the planet, and one of the widest used, with a very good safety profile.

 

[happy-go_vol]

Yep.

I’ve never used the ignore feature. EL just continues to prove how disgusting and distasteful human beings can be. “Owning” the libs for us is a funny meme, or a “Let’s Go Brandon” campaign. In contrast, “owning maga” for her is celebrating someone’s death. It’s evil. Time to ignore it.

She's a troll.

 

[Orangeslice13]

To clarify: my point was not to comment on the efficacy of ivermectin (which some studies have actually demonstrated, but there is so much BS influence from pharma $$$, that I'm not sure I trust they are receiving appropriate attention). I was trying to elucidate the obvious narrative-pushing when every news outlet immediately branded it as "horse paste" and dangerous.

It's literally one of the most life- and disability- saving drugs on the planet, and one of the widest used, with a very good safety profile.

I got what you were saying brother
Was just pointing out my issue with the other side of it.
Some were acting like it was the miracle Covid ending savior and it wasn’t

 

[SamRebel35]

Here’s my problem with ivermectin. It hasn’t been able to be proven effective Vs Covid in a clinical study. (That I’m aware of) I’ve said over and over that is safe with minimal downside so if a person wants to try it they should be allowed too but I’ve been attacked for simply pointing out that it has failed in studies.

The most recent example
Ivermectin shown ineffective in treating COVID-19, according to multi-site study including KU Medical Center

Effect of Ivermectin vs Placebo on Time to Sustained Recovery in Outpatients With Mild to Moderate COVID-19

Edit: it also has been proven to not be harmful so if you and your doctor are for it then it should be available

This isn't the first "study" to say Ivermectin is ineffective. It seems to have similar flaws to the "Together Trial". The same randomized control trial where 58% of the placebo group dropped out vs only 9% of the ivermectin group. Yet, when comparing death rates, they used the full denominator for the placebo group as if 58% of the group didn't drop out and used the 9% reduced denominator for the ivermectin death rate. Not only that, but the ivermectin group was underdosed and only given a course for 3 days beginning 8 days after symptoms are present. 8 days after! How does this pass for good science? Further, they instructed the ivm group to take the medication on an empty stomach when it is known that ivm requires taking with a meal to cross the gut barrier. This wasn't a trial, it was a sham attempting to give the ivm deniers a "sciency" explanation for their outright refusal to acknowledge mountains of observational trials from all corners of the globe. Even then, this Together Trial accidentally proved that Ivermectin works wonderfully if you simply use the correct denominators. 3.5% death rate vs 8.5%

Granted, the "Together Trial" was also gaging effectiveness vs the much more deadly variants like "Delta" and the original variant, where this new study seems like it was in the timeline of Omicron. Ivermectin may very well have lost any effectiveness against the much more benign variants, but so have the vaccines. The cost/benefit of the most recent variants makes it a no-brainer to eschew the vaccine, and in lieu of taking them, take something that is proven safe and harmless that may still have some effect, like Ivermectin.

 

[Orangeslice13]

This isn't the first "study" to say Ivermectin is ineffective. It seems to have similar flaws to the "Together Trial". The same randomized control trial where 58% of the placebo group dropped out vs only 9% of the ivermectin group. Yet, when comparing death rates, they used the full denominator for the placebo group as if 58% of the group didn't drop out and used the 9% reduced denominator for the ivermectin death rate. Not only that, but the ivermectin group was underdosed and only given a course for 3 days beginning 8 days after symptoms are present. 8 days after! How does this pass for good science? Further, they instructed the ivm group to take the medication on an empty stomach when it is known that ivm requires taking with a meal to cross the gut barrier. This wasn't a trial, it was a sham attempting to give the ivm deniers a "sciency" explanation for their outright refusal to acknowledge mountains of observational trials from all corners of the globe. Even then, this Together Trial accidentally proved that Ivermectin works wonderfully if you simply use the correct denominators. 3.5% death rate vs 8.5%

Granted, the "Together Trial" was also gaging effectiveness vs the much more deadly variants like "Delta" and the original variant, where this new study seems like it was in the timeline of Omicron. Ivermectin may very well have lost any effectiveness against the much more benign variants, but so have the vaccines. The cost/benefit of the most recent variants makes it a no-brainer to eschew the vaccine, and in lieu of taking them, take something that is proven safe and harmless that may still have some effect, like Ivermectin.

Again, that’s a fair critique. I still have no problem with people taking it.
I’ve never argued against people taking it.
However if we’re going down the save and effective rabbit hole then the push, absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt, should have been on the Vit C, Zinc, D3 cocktail. It absolutely prevents serious Covid infections…..it’s damn near completely effective vs any Covid infection. Nobody wants to do preventive care though…..unless it’s something like a mask or a lockdown that can be used for political purposes

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m currently weighing my options on the shingles vaccine.
Getting older sucks

 

[SamRebel35]

Again, that’s a fair critique. I still have no problem with people taking it.
I’ve never argued against people taking it.
However if we’re going down the save and effective rabbit hole then the push, absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt, should have been on the Vit C, Zinc, D3 cocktail. It absolutely prevents serious Covid infections…..it’s damn near completely effective vs any Covid infection. Nobody wants to do preventive care though…..unless it’s something like a mask or a lockdown that can be used for political purposes

To the bold: No doubt. The public health policy response to this virus was a complete unmitigated sh*t show. The amount of low hanging fruit we passed over while holding out for an untested miracle vaccine is mind boggling. Further, the way people were treated who tried to steer public health towards the low hanging fruit (even in the interim while vaccines were being developed) is a lesson to be remembered next time something like this happens.

 

[kiddiedoc]

To the bold: No doubt. The public health policy response to this virus was a complete unmitigated sh*t show. The amount of low hanging fruit we passed over while holding out for an untested miracle vaccine is mind boggling. Further, the way people were treated who tried to steer public health towards the low hanging fruit (even in the interim while vaccines were being developed) is a lesson to be remembered next time something like this happens.

I would like to believe this to be the case. However, the continued advertising of booster shots during sporting events and the number of people still wearing cloth face diapers gives me pause.

 

[LadyVolette]

You really are a terrible person.

Your fellow Death Celebrator already posted the sad news and was immediately shot down.

I know this is confusing since your last Eulogy was actually a year old and died from PCP.

I can’t see who you are responding to, that speaks volumes for me lol

 

[Orangeslice13]

I would like to believe this to be the case. However, the continued advertising of booster shots during sporting events and the number of people still wearing cloth face diapers gives me pause.

There are studies that show a Serious increase in lung infections from micro plastics. From wearing a stupid ass mask.

Don’t get me started on how many times a day a mask is supposed to be changed but we have people wearing the same one for weeks at a time.

Stupid

 

[kiddiedoc]

There are studies that show a Serious increase in lung infections from micro plastics. From wearing a stupid ass mask.

Don’t get me started on how many times a day a mask is supposed to be changed but we have people wearing the same one for weeks at a time.

Stupid

I just saw a little girl because mom is worried that "she keeps getting sick" this year. CV, flu (twice), cold after cold....

...And she is literally the only kid I've seen wearing a cloth mask in months. And she wears it all the time.

 

[LadyVolette]

Serious question. You don't think it's the least bit suspicious that the covid vaccines have blank inserts.

With each package of 'vaccines' the FDA and 42 USC 300aa requires that a package insert like this be included.

https://www.fda.gov/files/vaccines, blood & biologics/published/package-insert-recombivax-hb.pdf

Package inserts are intended to give the administrating healthcare professional the information they need in order to fulfill the legal requirements to achieve informed consent.

They include how to report to VAERS, contraindications, warnings, post marketing adverse events, cited research, dosage for age and weight, and important stuff like that, that is supposed to be available to every potential recipient.

I also find it very interesting that ‘breakthrough cases are rare’ narrative was promoted for so long… nobody is really saying that anymore.. and once again, anecdotal evidence as I am not a professor … My husband and I both had breakthrough cases twice, and pretty much everyone I know has had that happen in my age group.. our parents did not, but the fact that they don’t work now and stayed home may have been a more contributing factor than the shots