Vaccine or not?

[norrislakevol]

Most people could easily live with a failed vaccine. It was the constant lies and half truths being told by the CDC, politicians, and the venerable Dr. Fauci that has made people skeptical. While I’m not in the anti vax camp, I likely won’t trust the CDC again for the rest of my days.

100 percent correct. The CDC bureaucracy needs to be totally cleaned out and get back to regular, unbiased business.

 

[LadyVolette]

Silly to some, but I thank God first, I've been around it, but ironically I haven't gotten so much as a cold since this started. I just don't feel safe taking something that may be risky for me, to protect me against something that hasn't bothered me. That's just my personal stance on it. Only person in our family that got it was my wife. She was in the hospital with sepsis, zero visiting, and they tested her every day. The 9th night she tested positive, and they sent her home the next morning. That bothered me, she was septic, and they kept her until she tested positive. I asked them if it was so bad, then why send her home with sepsis and covid. Thankfully it barely bothered her, just a cough that homemade medicine took care of. I'm just a believer in a person making their own health choices, not the government.

I work in long term care and I heard and saw things that would shock most people, but I won’t say boo lol.. I think everyone was just doing the best they could though.. agreed, people have the right to make their own decisions, you can just arm them with the info to make an informed decision (which was exactly the problem lol nobody knew anything for certain)

 

[kiddiedoc]

Meanwhile, read this excerpt from a 2011 article with the drug name erased:

******* proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated and could be easily administered (a single, annual oral dose). It is used to treat a variety of internal nematode infections, including Onchocerciasis, Strongyloidiasis, Ascariasis, cutaneous larva migrans, filariases, Gnathostomiasis and Trichuriasis, as well as for oral treatment of ectoparasitic infections, such as Pediculosis (lice infestation) and scabies (mite infestation).14) ****** is the essential mainstay of two global disease elimination campaigns that should soon rid the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis, which blight the lives of billions of the poor and disadvantaged throughout the tropics. It is likely that, throughout the next decade, well over 200 million people will be taking the drug annually or semi-annually, via innovative globally-coordinated Mass Drug Administration (MDA) programmes. Indeed, the discovery, development and deployment of *******, produced by an unprecedented partnership between the Private Sector pharmaceutical multinational Merck & Co. Inc., and the Public Sector Kitasato Institute in Tokyo, aided by an extraordinary coalition of multidisciplinary international partners and disease-affected communities, has been recognized by many experts and observers as one of the greatest medical accomplishments of the 20th century.

Any guess on the "safe, wonder drug?"

 

[ButchPlz]

Did this get posted here? This stuff is absolutely whack. When the bureaucrats are starting to cover their asses you know something's up.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/health/moderna-bivalent-transparency/index.html

 

[LadyVolette]

Meanwhile, read this excerpt from a 2011 article with the drug name erased:



Any guess on the "safe, wonder drug?"

I’m not sure what it is but they gave my grandmother thalidomide when she was pregnant with my mom, it was the best thing since sliced bread for nausea while pregnant in the forties/fifties.. until…

 

[kiddiedoc]

As soon as word got out that ivermectin was being used successfully in other nations and by some physicians in the U.S., there was an IMMEDIATE smear campaign against the inexpensive, safe medication which had already been shown to have antiviral properties.

For those (including some on this board) that got on board the "dangerous, horse paste" train: how do you feel when you read that piece? Are you not left with any questions? Could there be any motive to squash a cheap alternative to the mRNA shots and ridiculously-expensive (and ineffective) Remdesivir?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I’m not sure what it is but they gave my grandmother thalidomide when she was pregnant with my mom, it was the best thing since sliced bread for nausea while pregnant in the forties/fifties.. until…

Ivermectin. Used worldwide for decades, including regular mass administration in developing nations. Has saved untold millions of lives and many more from debilitating parasitic disease.

 

[LadyVolette]

Ivermectin. Used worldwide for decades, including regular mass administration in developing nations. Has saved untold millions of lives and many more from debilitating parasitic disease.

Aha! Scabies medicine lol..that gets used in the nursing homes, or at least it did before it became a controversial drug lol.. it used to be fairly cheap and easy for the pharmacy to bring.. doubt it is now edit: not sure, no recent scabies outbreaks ps that topical stuff is too messy and for the birds lol.. not sure when ivermectin became associated with the veterinarians lol we used it quite a bit pre Covid clinically.. I never saw any adverse effects from it.. and these were not spring chickens in the best of health lol.. what was it that they were saying.. prolonged QT wave? Highly unlikely, particularly in short term use for an acute condition

 

[evillawyer]

 

[kiddiedoc]

You really are a terrible person.

Your fellow Death Celebrator already posted the sad news and was immediately shot down.

I know this is confusing since your last Eulogy was actually a year old and died from PCP.

 

[ButchPlz]

You really are a terrible person.

Your fellow Death Celebrator already posted the sad news and was immediately shot down.

I know this is confusing since your last Eulogy was actually a year old and died from PCP.

I intentionally left it alone, but to see someone celebrating this (which, as I pointed out to the last troll that posted it, is making a false implication) is disgusting.

These are the types of "people" that remind me that I'm on the right side.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I intentionally left it alone, but to see someone celebrating this (which, as I pointed out to the last troll that posted it, is making a false implication) is disgusting.

These are the types of "people" that remind me that I'm on the right side.

Just think: more celebrated athletes have either passed or arrested than celebrities whose deaths this clan can even find to report in the past two weeks. So, they have to post fake stories and year-old fake stories while telling everyone we shouldn't worry or try to figure out why young, healthy people are actually dying.

It's disgusting and moronic.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I intentionally left it alone, but to see someone celebrating this (which, as I pointed out to the last troll that posted it, is making a false implication) is disgusting.

These are the types of "people" that remind me that I'm on the right side.

Your "side" has done the same thing. Both sides have celebrated death way too much...

 

[ButchPlz]

Your "side" has done the same thing. Both sides have celebrated death way too much...

Asking questions is not the same as posting tweets explicitly celebrating someone's death, which has happened twice in the last handful of days in this thread.

Asking vaccine status was perfectly acceptable to let people in malls, restaurants, and on and on. But now that there is increasing evidence that there could be serious health complications from the shot (including caridac issues) it's "celebrating death" to ask?

What an ass.

 

[DonjoVol]

Tragically, I heard that an Air Force lineman died suddenly while walking to class this morning. Are y'all SURE we shouldn't look into what might be going on? This is crazy.

Prayers for his friends and family if this is true.

I think we should also look into the following 3 things as well as usage for these have increased and don't plan on slowing down anytime soon.

1. Marijuana
2. Energy Drinks
3. E-cigarettes and vaping

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Asking questions is not the same as posting tweets explicitly celebrating someone's death, which has happened twice in the last handful of days in this thread.

Asking vaccine status was perfectly acceptable to let people in malls, restaurants, and on and on. But now that there is increasing evidence that there could be serious health complications from the shot (including caridac issues) it's "celebrating death" to ask?

What an ass.

Your side has posted people who have died from the suicide, died in crack houses, died from being 450 pounds with something like "Vax?"

No, you are an ass that can't see that your side has done the same exact disgusting stuff as the other side....

 

[kiddiedoc]

I think we should also look into the following 3 things as well as usage for these have increased and don't plan on slowing down anytime soon.

1. Marijuana
2. Energy Drinks
3. E-cigarettes and vaping

I believe that college athletes are regularly drug tested, no?

Energy drinks get vilified a lot, but there is more caffeine in a Starbucks coffee than a Monster. Yes, you should limit your caffeine intake, but the caffeine content (and presence of ephedra-like compounds) in popular pre-workout supplements is more concerning to me.

Vaping/e-cig use can definitely damage the airways (see the new condition "EVALI"), but less likely to cause cardiac complications.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Your side has posted people who have died from the suicide, died in crack houses, died from being 450 pounds with something like "Vax?"

No, you are an ass that can't see that your side has done the same exact disgusting stuff as the other side....

As a physician, I am not taking sides. I am looking at the situation and asking questions, which is what drives progress. "It's safe, don't ask questions" doesn't cut it for me. With the important responsibility of recommending for or against a medical treatment for my patients, I would like to see full and transparent analysis of why young, healthy people are having issues at an alarming rate. If it's not the vaccine? Awesome, let's dig deeper.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

As a physician, I am not taking sides. I am looking at the situation and asking questions, which is what drives progress. "It's safe, don't ask questions" doesn't cut it for me. With the important responsibility of recommending for or against a medical treatment for my patients, I would like to see full and transparent analysis of why young, healthy people are having issues at an alarming rate. If it's not the vaccine? Awesome, let's dig deeper.

There has been bad behavior on both sides here. There's been a giddiness over death, obviously slanted and disingenuous links posted, and complete falsehoods linked. There's been games played with stats, etc.

That's all I'm saying. You can't chide one side while completely ignoring the same BS your own side has presented...

 

[DonjoVol]

I believe that college athletes are regularly drug tested, no?

Energy drinks get vilified a lot, but there is more caffeine in a Starbucks coffee than a Monster. Yes, you should limit your caffeine intake, but the caffeine content (and presence of ephedra-like compounds) in popular pre-workout supplements is more concerning to me.

Vaping/e-cig use can definitely damage the airways (see the new condition "EVALI"), but less likely to cause cardiac complications.

That's why I brought up these 3 items. It seems the biggest age group using these items are the 18-29 age group. Heard men 18-34 are the biggest users of energy drinks. Plus I've noticed just the past few years that the energy drink sections in gas stations and grocery stores have gotten bigger.

Of course I've already mentioned the health effects of marijuana and its not perfectly safe like some people want others to believe.

 

[kiddiedoc]

There has been bad behavior on both sides here. There's been a giddiness over death, obviously slanted and disingenuous links posted, and complete falsehoods linked. There's been games played with stats, etc.

That's all I'm saying. You can't chide one side while completely ignoring the same BS your own side has presented...

I've actually criticized or refrained from commenting on the unproven and anecdotal posts in the past. I've never posted anything as "celebration." Again, I'm concerned and looking for answers, as I think any responsible human should.

For most of y'all, this is fun and games. I have to advise parents what to do for their children every day. It's a responsibility I do not take lightly.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Of course I've already mentioned the health effects of marijuana and its not perfectly safe like some people want others to believe.

I agree with you 100%, but we will leave that debate for the other threads. I've seen it firsthand, and virtually every actual physician agrees.

From an overall health angle: let's not forget the impact of cigarettes, alcohol, and opioids, all of which receive little attention (thanks to big time corporate $$$), and use increased during lockdowns. You know, for the greater good?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

As a physician, I am not taking sides. I am looking at the situation and asking questions, which is what drives progress. "It's safe, don't ask questions" doesn't cut it for me. With the important responsibility of recommending for or against a medical treatment for my patients, I would like to see full and transparent analysis of why young, healthy people are having issues at an alarming rate. If it's not the vaccine? Awesome, let's dig deeper.

The other issue is there has yet to be an apples to apples comparison of pre and post COVID issues in athletes. Everything that has been presented is apples to oranges to tangerines to grapefruits comparison.

There was a good comparison showing a small (in absolute terms) but significant (in percentage terms) risk in myocarditis in young people. That's what's needed. Not comparisons of 19 year old athletes to a 60+ non-athlete like Mike Leach.

 

[ButchPlz]

Your side has posted people who have died from the suicide, died in crack houses, died from being 450 pounds with something like "Vax?"

No, you are an ass that can't see that your side has done the same exact disgusting stuff as the other side....

Who is celebrating those deaths? Point me to the posters gloating about them. Point to where I'VE acted anything like the two posters that have shared tweets explicitly celebrating the death of people. Hint: you won't be able to.

I am, and have always been, on the side of caution with the vaccines. That's it. You decided to stick your ass in where it didn't belong and lob accusations because two someones you apparently agree with are acting like monsters.

EDIT: likening improper speculation about a death to celebrating and laughing about a death requires a sub-dirt level IQ. You weren't doing that, were you?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Who is celebrating those deaths? Point me to the posters gloating about them. Point to where I'VE acted anything like the two posters that have shared tweets explicitly celebrating the death of people. Hint: you won't be able to.

I am, and have always been, on the side of caution with the vaccines. That's it. You decided to stick your ass in where it didn't belong and lob accusations because two someones you apparently agree with are acting like monsters.

Post 21066 is one of many examples. The two athletes were 450 lbs and the other died in a crack house. I never said YOU said it, just your side. You need to learn to read but I shouldn't expect more out of a guy that named himself after Lyle....

And no, I dont agree with them. I just see the stupid BS on both sides and willing to call it out....