Vaccine or not?

[GVF]

I suppose that I should get the Shingles vaccine, but I have only known one person to get it, and that was a buddy of mine that was in his late teens/early 20s. Does the severity of Shingles have anything to do with the severity of the measles when I had them?

I've only known of 2 people in my life to get shingles, and ones was many years ago. My brother had it maybe 6 years ago. Main thing he experienced with shingles itself was quite a bit of pain all up and down the infection.

 

[Orangeslice13]

If you are only willing to accept results from controlled randomized double blind trials as evidence, then that doesn't exactly meet your definition of "easily provable". And even then, when you do have that type of trial, like the together trial, you see a bunch of very glaring errors that make the conclusion of "ivermectin is useless" look ridiculous. Hell, with compounding errors acting against ivermectin in the together trial, it still showed an effect vs the placebo group. But the narrative was still "it's useless horse paste" even after that.

You’re jumping all over the place here.
I get that you’re responding to trivial BS but I’m not part of any tribe. I’m more concerned with reality.
-I’ve called it “horse paste” in response to others who used the term but never pushed that as legitimate.
-I’m not making the argument that it’s useless. It has great value as a medicine
-I’ve not said it’s useless Vs Covid. That’s undetermined at this point
-I am saying that it’s unlikely to be the “game changing savior” vs Covid as that’s what the data says. That too could change over time.
-if you want to talk about actual verified results being ignored then read up on the Vit C, D3, Zinc cocktail. It actually is a game changer.

Edit: almost forgot
-you should be allowed to take it if you and your Dr think it will help you

 

[Orangeslice13]

Hey,
What ever happened to that big ivermectin study sponsored by the right wing think tank?

 

[Vol8188]

I've only known of 2 people in my life to get shingles, and ones was many years ago. My brother had it maybe 6 years ago. Main thing he experienced with shingles itself was quite a bit of pain all up and down the infection.

Can lead to blindness if it hits the ophthalmic nerve. I will get my shingles vaccine and my children will be vaccinated against chicken pox

 

[Vol8188]

I suppose that I should get the Shingles vaccine, but I have only known one person to get it, and that was a buddy of mine that was in his late teens/early 20s. Does the severity of Shingles have anything to do with the severity of the measles when I had them?

My understanding of shingles is that it is from chicken pox, not measles.

 

[SamRebel35]

You’re jumping all over the place here.
I get that you’re responding to trivial BS but I’m not part of any tribe. I’m more concerned with reality.
-I’ve called it “horse paste” in response to others who used the term but never pushed that as legitimate.
-I’m not making the argument that it’s useless. It has great value as a medicine
-I’ve not said it’s useless Vs Covid. That’s undetermined at this point
-I am saying that it’s unlikely to be the “game changing savior” vs Covid as that’s what the data says. That too could change over time.
-if you want to talk about actual verified results being ignored then read up on the Vit C, D3, Zinc cocktail. It actually is a game changer.

My point is they rigged the trial against ivermectin and it still showed effectiveness. If they didn't have the glaring errors in administering the medication and tallying the data, ivermectin would likely have shown to be much more effective. And I'm not arguing against the vitamin D and zinc combo either. I was early money on that too.

 

[VolinWayne]

-if you want to talk about actual verified results being ignored then read up on the Vit C, D3, Zinc cocktail. It actually is a game changer.

Out of curiosity have tou always taken these 3 or was that a result of covid? I definitely feel like it's been a gamechanger for my family. As I said before my wife and I take these religiously. One of our kids had a nasty case of strep throat a couple weeks ago. Neither one of us got even a slightly itchy throat even though we let him sleep in bed with us and were all up in his face. I think if I were to stock up on anything in life that's what it would be lol.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Out of curiosity have tou always taken these 3 or was that a result of covid? I definitely feel like it's been a gamechanger for my family. As I said before my wife and I take these religiously. One of our kids had a nasty case of strep throat a couple weeks ago. Neither one of us got even a slightly itchy throat even though we let him sleep in bed with us and were all up in his face. I think if I were to stock up on anything in life that's what it would be lol.

I’ve been on the combo for about 8-10 years. Since the red women’s liver cancer went into remission. She is extremely high risk and very rarely gets sick. (Cold /flu) I never do either and have a couple weird medical things of my own

 

[davethevol]

Just heard breaking news that the CDC has just announced they are going to look seriously at a link between strokes and the Pfizer Covid vaccine. This does not pertain to the Moderna vaccine.

 

[jmacvols1]

Just heard breaking news that the CDC has just announced they are going to look seriously at a link between strokes and the Pfizer Covid vaccine. This does not pertain to the Moderna vaccine.

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@FrameThisNow
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Replying to
@charliekirk11
The CDC and FDA announced on Friday that their surveillance system flagged a possible link between the NEW Pfizer-BioNTech bivalent Covid-19 vaccine and strokes in people AGED 65 AND OVER. Not the athletes or Lisa Marie Presley.

 

[VolinWayne]

anti-mitoman
@FrameThisNow
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Replying to
@charliekirk11
The CDC and FDA announced on Friday that their surveillance system flagged a possible link between the NEW Pfizer-BioNTech bivalent Covid-19 vaccine and strokes in people AGED 65 AND OVER. Not the athletes or Lisa Marie Presley.

I wouldn't be holding my breath to long on either the FDA or the CDC to come up with anything that would be damning to big pharma in this regards. Just my opinion.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I wouldn't be holding my breath to long on either the FDA or the CDC to come up with anything that would be damning to big pharma in this regards. Just my opinion.

My thoughts exactly.
It should be investigated. Give me someone independent to do the investigation please

 

[Franklin Pierce]

CDC and FDA say they're investigating possible link between Pfizer's Bivalent Covid Booster and strokes in seniors over age of 65 — but officials have 'no concerns at this time'

Health officials are investigating whether Pfizer's updated Covid booster increases the risk of strokes in people over the age of 65.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said their surveillance system flagged a link between the new shot and a higher risk of an ischemic stroke three to four weeks post-vaccination.

Officials said other systems put in place to track vaccine injuries have not found a similar link, which makes them believe it is a statistical anomaly rather than a true cause for alarm.

CDC officials report that people over 65 who receive the updated Covid booster shot could be at an increased risk of suffering a stroke (file photo)

Officials say Pfizer's bivalent COVID shot may be linked to stroke | Daily Mail Online

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If it works it could be easily proven.
Everyone isn’t sold out to the man.
keep reading on the C,D and Z

There is very little incentive by Big Pharma and the captured three letter agencies at this moment to prove it.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

British Cardiologist Dr. Aseem Malhotra Tells BBC 30,000 Excess Deaths This Year Most Likely Linked to mRNA Vaccines (VIDEO)

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Deadline Passes For Pfizer To Submit Results Of Post-Vaccination Heart Inflammation Study To US Regulators | ZeroHedge

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

There is a lot of people who like to think of themselves as reasonable and rational, but at this point are spending more time defending their egos then acknowledging there is a major problem. Then they feign surprise so many people are passionate about having been forced to do something against their will to keep their jobs etc. When you are forced to do something that might cost your life or a family member's life, or their quality of life your going to be rather angry. That is a perfectly natural emotion and a rational one. At this point if you really think the MRNA experimental vaccines were either safe or effective YOU are the one in denial, and maybe should examine why you feel so vested in protecting what was clearly an overstep by companies, employers, healthcare and government.

Cardiologist: ‘Prepandemic myocarditis’ was 4 cases/million – now 25,000/million

If you really feel the need at this point to belittle people who are concerned, and want to make sure such forced medical tyranny does not happen again, YOU are the one with the one letting emotion get ahead of reason, logic, and actual science. No one is saying you can't take whatever experimental medical medication or procedure you and your doctor feel comfortable with. But the giant elephant in the room is regardless of what we knew and when, forcing people to undergo medical treatments they do not agree to has been considered an international crime since the horrors of ww2.

I am not nor have I ever been "anti-vaxx". I am however anti forcing experimental medications (MRNA treatment is NOT a vaccine) on an unwilling group of people, any group. At the very least given the current numbers I'd probably bite my tongue and stop digging a hole for myself. You keep saying there is not enough evidence, and the evidence keeps rolling out. People who lose people they care about whether in death or in quality of life WILL take it personally.....that's not shocking, nor surprising.

Imagine we'd all been required to put something on our vehicles that was supposed to stop some rare mal-function that was not killing 99% of drivers, but the device then caused 25,000 out of a million drivers to either have fatal accidents or become seriously injured. If you lost a child a beloved family member how would you feel? How do you think you might feel about those that either cheerleading them forcing it on your kids or spouses vehicle now? Ultimately the data was bad, we know we were lied to, we know they used government agencies to censor anyone who even questioned it, but besides the thing itself or liability, the real crime was in the coercion. Everyone looks to history at say the Nazi thing, or Stalinist thing, and wonders how could a mass of people be okay with such coercion and tyranny just because some demagogue whipped up fear.

Maybe some people need to take a hard look in the mirror. Turns out maybe you weren't the steel hardened virtued person against tyranny you thought? Stop being vested in just your egos, and start supporting getting to the bottom of what is going on, and acknowledge that you supported a policy that dramatically overstepped common decency on coercion because you were afraid...and maybe that was a bad decision. if you learn nothing else maybe learn that before next time DOES become a repeat of the national socialist or communist horrors.

Cardiologist: ‘Prepandemic myocarditis’ was 4 cases/million – now 25,000/million



I know TL / DR but hey you'rer the rational and sensible ones right?

You're not being noble. You are not "above the fold" you are being petty and we are in the middle of a crisis now effecting more people then covid. It's one thing to be gullible when stressed with fear (i nearly died from covid I know damn well the threat was real) , it's another to be more worried about CYA then the lives of people and their families. You are putting your personal pride ahead of common sense. They the victims and relatives of victims will remember that, you maybe should consider that.

 

[RikidyBones]

Out of curiosity have tou always taken these 3 or was that a result of covid? I definitely feel like it's been a gamechanger for my family. As I said before my wife and I take these religiously. One of our kids had a nasty case of strep throat a couple weeks ago. Neither one of us got even a slightly itchy throat even though we let him sleep in bed with us and were all up in his face. I think if I were to stock up on anything in life that's what it would be lol.

I got strep during Christmas after my 4 year old sneezing into my yawning mouth. No one else in the house got it but I'm also the only one with tonsils. Do you and your wife have tonsils still?

 

[Orangeslice13]

There is very little incentive by Big Pharma and the captured three letter agencies at this moment to prove it.

There are plenty of people like you who are not sold out to the man and have been unable to provide any proof. Stop playing the victim and run a study if you think there is something to be uncovered. Speaking of…. How did that independent study….that was being talked about non stop on the right leaning talk show…..end up?
I believe the word they chose was “inclusive “

 

[Orangeslice13]

There is a lot of people who like to think of themselves as reasonable and rational, but at this point are spending more time defending their egos then acknowledging there is a major problem. Then they feign surprise so many people are passionate about having been forced to do something against their will to keep their jobs etc. When you are forced to do something that might cost your life or a family member's life, or their quality of life your going to be rather angry. That is a perfectly natural emotion and a rational one. At this point if you really think the MRNA experimental vaccines were either safe or effective YOU are the one in denial, and maybe should examine why you feel so vested in protecting what was clearly an overstep by companies, employers, healthcare and government.

Cardiologist: ‘Prepandemic myocarditis’ was 4 cases/million – now 25,000/million

If you really feel the need at this point to belittle people who are concerned, and want to make sure such forced medical tyranny does not happen again, YOU are the one with the one letting emotion get ahead of reason, logic, and actual science. No one is saying you can't take whatever experimental medical medication or procedure you and your doctor feel comfortable with. But the giant elephant in the room is regardless of what we knew and when, forcing people to undergo medical treatments they do not agree to has been considered an international crime since the horrors of ww2.

I am not nor have I ever been "anti-vaxx". I am however anti forcing experimental medications (MRNA treatment is NOT a vaccine) on an unwilling group of people, any group. At the very least given the current numbers I'd probably bite my tongue and stop digging a hole for myself. You keep saying there is not enough evidence, and the evidence keeps rolling out. People who lose people they care about whether in death or in quality of life WILL take it personally.....that's not shocking, nor surprising.

Imagine we'd all been required to put something on our vehicles that was supposed to stop some rare mal-function that was not killing 99% of drivers, but the device then caused 25,000 out of a million drivers to either have fatal accidents or become seriously injured. If you lost a child a beloved family member how would you feel? How do you think you might feel about those that either cheerleading them forcing it on your kids or spouses vehicle now? Ultimately the data was bad, we know we were lied to, we know they used government agencies to censor anyone who even questioned it, but besides the thing itself or liability, the real crime was in the coercion. Everyone looks to history at say the Nazi thing, or Stalinist thing, and wonders how could a mass of people be okay with such coercion and tyranny just because some demagogue whipped up fear.

Maybe some people need to take a hard look in the mirror. Turns out maybe you weren't the steel hardened virtued person against tyranny you thought? Stop being vested in just your egos, and start supporting getting to the bottom of what is going on, and acknowledge that you supported a policy that dramatically overstepped common decency on coercion because you were afraid...and maybe that was a bad decision. if you learn nothing else maybe learn that before next time DOES become a repeat of the national socialist or communist horrors.

Cardiologist: ‘Prepandemic myocarditis’ was 4 cases/million – now 25,000/million



I know TL / DR but hey you'rer the rational and sensible ones right?

You're not being noble. You are not "above the fold" you are being petty and we are in the middle of a crisis now effecting more people then covid. It's one thing to be gullible when stressed with fear (i nearly died from covid I know damn well the threat was real) , it's another to be more worried about CYA then the lives of people and their families. You are putting your personal pride ahead of common sense. They the victims and relatives of victims will remember that, you maybe should consider that.

Except that the problem exists at a higher rate outside the vaccine. Almost like Covid is the issue

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There are plenty of people like you who are not sold out to the man and have been unable to provide any proof. Stop playing the victim and run a study if you think there is something to be uncovered. Speaking of…. How did that independent study….that was being talked about non stop on the right leaning talk show…..end up?
I believe the word they chose was “inclusive “

Anytime evidence or data comes from outside of the "establishment", the media and govt come in to discredit it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Anytime evidence or data comes from outside of the "establishment", the media and govt come in to discredit it.

Here’s that victimhood again.
Show me the results of these studies that have been squashed.
If an independent group ran a study accurately it cannot be discredited. But when they do and the results are “inconclusive” then there’s nothing to discredit

Again, your side isn’t pushing the actual cure (most likely) because they know people are lazy and most are not willing to do the C,D3, zinc thing indefinitely.
But guess what, unlike ivermectin, it works

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There are plenty of people like you who are not sold out to the man and have been unable to provide any proof. Stop playing the victim and run a study if you think there is something to be uncovered. Speaking of…. How did that independent study….that was being talked about non stop on the right leaning talk show…..end up?
I believe the word they chose was “inclusive “

You keep mentioning this one particular so-called independent study and I have no idea what you are talking about.

All I have are my anecdotal experiences from 2021.
1. In the fall of 2021, my doctor told me at that up to that point, he had over 80 of his patients contract C-19. Out of those patients, none died and none were even hospitalized (now maybe a few did go to the emergency room or something to get tested/diagnosed)... point is none had overnight stays. Part of his treatment was the use of Ivermectin, along with C, D and zinc.
2. Out of over 2 dozen cases/infections of people within a former coworkers social circle in West Tennessee, no deaths (not certain about hospitalizations). These 2 dozen or so had to actually use the horse paste because pharmacies around Jackson-Paris-Mayfield, Ky area were filling prescriptions for Ivermectin were hard to find. One person in that group had to go all the way to Chattanooga to get a prescription filled at one point.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Here’s that victimhood again.
Show me the results of these studies that have been squashed.
If an independent group ran a study accurately it cannot be discredited. But when they do and the results are “inconclusive” then there’s nothing to discredit

Again, your side isn’t pushing the actual cure (most likely) because they know people are lazy and most are not willing to do the C,D3, zinc thing indefinitely.
But guess what, unlike ivermectin, it works

This isn't victimization. It is fact. The data collected in the one India province showed how effective Ivermectin is. And certainly, we can't forget about the data on the continent of Africa.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Here’s that victimhood again.
Show me the results of these studies that have been squashed.
If an independent group ran a study accurately it cannot be discredited. But when they do and the results are “inconclusive” then there’s nothing to discredit

Again, your side isn’t pushing the actual cure (most likely) because they know people are lazy and most are not willing to do the C,D3, zinc thing indefinitely.
But guess what, unlike ivermectin, it works

Indian province (Uttar Pradesh) and Africa are being ignored and there is plenty of data from there to compare against the rest of the world.