Vaccine or not?

You keep mentioning this one particular so-called independent study and I have no idea what you are talking about.

All I have are my anecdotal experiences from 2021.
1. In the fall of 2021, my doctor told me at that up to that point, he had over 80 of his patients contract C-19. Out of those patients, none died and none were even hospitalized (now maybe a few did go to the emergency room or something to get tested/diagnosed)... point is none had overnight stays. Part of his treatment was the use of Ivermectin, along with C, D and zinc.
2. Out of over 2 dozen cases/infections of people within a former coworkers social circle in West Tennessee, no deaths (not certain about hospitalizations). These 2 dozen or so had to actually use the horse paste because pharmacies around Jackson-Paris-Mayfield, Ky area were filling prescriptions for Ivermectin were hard to find. One person in that group had to go all the way to Chattanooga to get a prescription filled at one point.

The study I keep mentioning was all the rage here when it first started. Nobody wants to talk about it anymore. I Wonder why

1-studies indicate that the CD3and Zinc works ivermectin does not. I’m glad he prescribed as he saw fit.
2- they were able to get ivermectin. Being hard to find is not a surprise during a demand season. Ivermectin is a generic drug. The argument that “the drug companies” tried to suppress it is stupid. The Parma company I once worked for has a generic manufacturing plant in Atlanta Ga. They cranked out as much ivermectin generic as they could during the pandemic and scored record profits doing it selling it cheap.
 
I got strep during Christmas after my 4 year old sneezing into my yawning mouth. No one else in the house got it but I'm also the only one with tonsils. Do you and your wife have tonsils still?


Yes we both still have our tonsils. I am no doctor but from my personal experience I highly recommend (if you don't already) taking Vitamins D,C,Zinc and Quercetin on a regular basis. I rarely get sick even when i am around others who are.
 
Yes we both still have our tonsils. I am no doctor but from my personal experience I highly recommend (if you don't already) taking Vitamins D,C,Zinc and Quercetin on a regular basis. I rarely get sick even when i am around others who are.

That’s what I take…..along with DHEA and the cardiologist has me taking L-arginine and CoQ10
 
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100% reinstated with 100% back pay

I would not have gotten the vax had the Army not f'd around with my leave for retirement.


My brother (cousin raised as a brother) is in the same boat and says the same thing. I’m just curious what your thoughts on the …..I’m quoting him now….”ridiculous amount of vaccines “ that he’s had to take being in the army.



Side note, he was fishing with me in Florida for 2 weeks in December. I do the C,D3and zinc thing but he doesn’t. He got Covid and was positive on the trip home. His whole family got it. My family did not.
 
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My brother (cousin raised as a brother) is in the same boat and says the same thing. I’m just curious what your thoughts on the …..I’m quoting him now….”ridiculous amount of vaccines “ that he’s had to take being in the army.
There are a ton it seems lol. I’m not against vaccines.

I am against ones that are rushed.
 
Post your study
I posted them way back in 2021 and 2022 and they were still nitpicked to death. Let's face it, you have more faith in the data from the "establishment"/"The Man" than I do. For some reason, you have a healthy level of cynicism when it comes to a lot of things. But when it comes to this medical stuff. it seems like you drink all the pharmaceutical Kool-Aid you can get your hands on. The Svengali/Rasputin doctors you have are really doing a number on you. It is just odd seeing you this compliant on a particular subject.
 
My brother (cousin raised as a brother) is in the same boat and says the same thing. I’m just curious what your thoughts on the …..I’m quoting him now….”ridiculous amount of vaccines “ that he’s had to take being in the army.



Side note, he was fishing with me in Florida for 2 weeks in December. I do the C,D3and zinc thing but he doesn’t. He got Covid and was positive on the trip home. His whole family got it. My family did not.
I was in the Marine Corps for only 4 years. And in that 4 year time frame there seemed to be a ridiculous amount of vaccines I had to take. So I can only imagine the number of vaccines one has to take if making the military a career.
 



This happened almost a year ago and had to research it to make sure it wasn't actually part of her gig. Now that we all know she is ok, you have to admit the the little bit of irony here.
 
There are a ton it seems lol. I’m not against vaccines.

I am against ones that are rushed.
2 years ago, I was in the same boat.

Today, I'm not sure if I'll take another vaccine again. I'm not going to say "never", but I'm very cynical after what I have seen... especially if they start mixing the C-19 stuff with other vaccines. The main one I'm specifically thinking about is for tetanus. Used to be every 10 years I thought, but I know I haven't had one since around 2006.
 
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I posted them way back in 2021 and 2022 and they were still nitpicked to death. Let's face it, you have more faith in the data from the "establishment"/"The Man" than I do. For some reason, you have a healthy level of cynicism when it comes to a lot of things. But when it comes to this medical stuff. it seems like you drink all the pharmaceutical Kool-Aid you can get your hands on. The Svengali/Rasputin doctors you have are really doing a number on you. It is just odd seeing you this compliant on a particular subject.

I've clearly spent a lot more time on this than you
 
I was in the Marine Corps for only 4 years. And in that 4 year time frame there seemed to be a ridiculous amount of vaccines I had to take. So I can only imagine the number of vaccines one has to take if making the military a career.
He says it so many you just stop asking what they’re for. (I’m sure that’s an exaggeration. I’m sure they all still ask)
 
When in doubt…throw it out.

You should abandon the “only what I agree with “ approach
I try to keep an open mind.

Let me ask you this since I'm thinking about it. It seems that you have no belief in Ivermectin. Fine. But it now appears that you have some belief that C, D and zinc are preventative measures that work. Then explain this to me: Why don't the same media outlets, three letter agencies and Big Pharma use the same energy to promote this treatment that they have used to promote the vaccines and destroy Ivermectin?
 
2 years ago, I was in the same boat.

Today, I'm not sure if I'll take another vaccine again. I'm not going to say "never", but I'm very cynical after what I have seen... especially if they start mixing the C-19 stuff with other vaccines. The main one I'm specifically thinking about is for tetanus. Used to be every 10 years I thought, but I know I haven't had one since around 2006.
TDAP. It is every 10 years. I just got mine the other day lol.
 
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I try to keep an open mind.

Let me ask you this since I'm thinking about it. It seems that you have no belief in Ivermectin. Fine. But it now appears that you have some belief that C, D and zinc are preventative measures that work. Then explain this to me: Why don't the same media outlets, three letter agencies and Big Pharma use the same energy to promote this treatment that they have used to promote the vaccines and destroy Ivermectin?
I hate to say it, but follow the money
 
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There is a lot of people who like to think of themselves as reasonable and rational, but at this point are spending more time defending their egos then acknowledging there is a major problem. Then they feign surprise so many people are passionate about having been forced to do something against their will to keep their jobs etc. When you are forced to do something that might cost your life or a family member's life, or their quality of life your going to be rather angry. That is a perfectly natural emotion and a rational one. At this point if you really think the MRNA experimental vaccines were either safe or effective YOU are the one in denial, and maybe should examine why you feel so vested in protecting what was clearly an overstep by companies, employers, healthcare and government.

Cardiologist: ‘Prepandemic myocarditis’ was 4 cases/million – now 25,000/million

If you really feel the need at this point to belittle people who are concerned, and want to make sure such forced medical tyranny does not happen again, YOU are the one with the one letting emotion get ahead of reason, logic, and actual science. No one is saying you can't take whatever experimental medical medication or procedure you and your doctor feel comfortable with. But the giant elephant in the room is regardless of what we knew and when, forcing people to undergo medical treatments they do not agree to has been considered an international crime since the horrors of ww2.

I am not nor have I ever been "anti-vaxx". I am however anti forcing experimental medications (MRNA treatment is NOT a vaccine) on an unwilling group of people, any group. At the very least given the current numbers I'd probably bite my tongue and stop digging a hole for myself. You keep saying there is not enough evidence, and the evidence keeps rolling out. People who lose people they care about whether in death or in quality of life WILL take it personally.....that's not shocking, nor surprising.

Imagine we'd all been required to put something on our vehicles that was supposed to stop some rare mal-function that was not killing 99% of drivers, but the device then caused 25,000 out of a million drivers to either have fatal accidents or become seriously injured. If you lost a child a beloved family member how would you feel? How do you think you might feel about those that either cheerleading them forcing it on your kids or spouses vehicle now? Ultimately the data was bad, we know we were lied to, we know they used government agencies to censor anyone who even questioned it, but besides the thing itself or liability, the real crime was in the coercion. Everyone looks to history at say the Nazi thing, or Stalinist thing, and wonders how could a mass of people be okay with such coercion and tyranny just because some demagogue whipped up fear.

Maybe some people need to take a hard look in the mirror. Turns out maybe you weren't the steel hardened virtued person against tyranny you thought? Stop being vested in just your egos, and start supporting getting to the bottom of what is going on, and acknowledge that you supported a policy that dramatically overstepped common decency on coercion because you were afraid...and maybe that was a bad decision. if you learn nothing else maybe learn that before next time DOES become a repeat of the national socialist or communist horrors.

Cardiologist: ‘Prepandemic myocarditis’ was 4 cases/million – now 25,000/million



I know TL / DR but hey you'rer the rational and sensible ones right?

You're not being noble. You are not "above the fold" you are being petty and we are in the middle of a crisis now effecting more people then covid. It's one thing to be gullible when stressed with fear (i nearly died from covid I know damn well the threat was real) , it's another to be more worried about CYA then the lives of people and their families. You are putting your personal pride ahead of common sense. They the victims and relatives of victims will remember that, you maybe should consider that.


If the 25K/1MM was true, that would be 10x more than the total people who were diagnosed with any type of heart disease or suffered a first cardiac event in 2021....
 
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CDC and FDA say they're investigating possible link between Pfizer's Bivalent Covid Booster and strokes in seniors over age of 65 — but officials have 'no concerns at this time'

Health officials are investigating whether Pfizer's updated Covid booster increases the risk of strokes in people over the age of 65.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) said their surveillance system flagged a link between the new shot and a higher risk of an ischemic stroke three to four weeks post-vaccination.

Officials said other systems put in place to track vaccine injuries have not found a similar link, which makes them believe it is a statistical anomaly rather than a true cause for alarm.

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CDC officials report that people over 65 who receive the updated Covid booster shot could be at an increased risk of suffering a stroke (file photo)

Officials say Pfizer's bivalent COVID shot may be linked to stroke | Daily Mail Online
It’s amazing to think that the FDA approved the Pfizer bivalent booster based on the testing in mice.
5 months later, after a few million humans have had it, we get this..
 
I try to keep an open mind.

Let me ask you this since I'm thinking about it. It seems that you have no belief in Ivermectin. Fine. But it now appears that you have some belief that C, D and zinc are preventative measures that work. Then explain this to me: Why don't the same media outlets, three letter agencies and Big Pharma use the same energy to promote this treatment that they have used to promote the vaccines and destroy Ivermectin?

The numbers are not there for ivermectin.
It’s not just now on CD3 and Z. I’ve been on that for a decade and the studies still support it.
I don’t work for any of them. I don’t speak for them and I honestly don’t care about their opinions.
 
The numbers are not there for ivermectin.
It’s not just now on CD3 and Z. I’ve been on that for a decade and the studies still support it.
I don’t work for any of them. I don’t speak for them and I honestly don’t care about their opinions.
But you really didn't answer the question.

Why are they so loud and adamant about the vaccines and wearing masks and all of the other nonsense but when it comes to C, D or zinc, the media, govt and Big Pharma don't have that same energy advertising their (obvious according you) benefits?
 

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