Vaccine or not?

[C-south]

Death rates per 100K covid cases during peak of Delta (7/31/21 - 10/2/2021)

Vax

Under 30: .18
30-49: 1.44
50-64: 7.90
Over 65: 152.97

Unvax:

Under 30: 6.80
30-49: 51.50
50-64: 207.58
Over 65: 1354.07

Just for comparisons sake, here are vax and unvax death rates per 100K covid diagnoses the past 2 months:

Under 30: (.09 vs .41)
30-49: (.61 vs 2.65)
50-64: (2.67 vs 14.42)
Over 65: (83.87 vs 408.32)

Pretty easy to tell, effectiveness of vax has waned and the COVID strands are much weaker now..

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[LadyVolette]

Death rates per 100K covid cases during peak of Delta (7/31/21 - 10/2/2021)

Vax

Under 30: .18
30-49: 1.44
50-64: 7.90
Over 65: 152.97

Unvax:

Under 30: 6.80
30-49: 51.50
50-64: 207.58
Over 65: 1354.07

Just for comparisons sake, here are vax and unvax death rates per 100K covid diagnoses the past 2 months:

Under 30: (.09 vs .41)
30-49: (.61 vs 2.65)
50-64: (2.67 vs 14.42)
Over 65: (83.87 vs 408.32)

Pretty easy to tell, effectiveness of vax has waned and the COVID strands are much weaker now..

Interesting, I love some good statistics.. I’m an RN they are like porn to me lol

 

[kiddiedoc]

So, would you each say that you are MORE or LESS concerned about long term safety of the mRNA shots than you were 2 years ago as they were rolled out as "safe and effective," with no risks of CV complications, strokes, or effect on fertility?

 

[hog88]

Interesting, I love some good statistics.. I’m an RN they are like porn to me lol

You're weird.

 

[Jxn Vol]

“The shots were effective against the virus. Look at the stats.”

Oh by the way down the road, the shots did not cause heart damage, clots, cancer, strokes, and other organ damage.

 

[LadyVolette]

You're weird.

no arguments here

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So, would you each say that you are MORE or LESS concerned about long term safety of the mRNA shots than you were 2 years ago as they were rolled out as "safe and effective," with no risks of CV complications, strokes, or effect on fertility?

I would say it was valuable for the most vulnerable population (50+, unhealthy, or preexisting conditions) but the threat of mandates was asinine and not supported by the data, especially for those not in a vulnerable group...

 

[kiddiedoc]

Here's a fun exercise: Answer the following questions with a simple yes or no. It will be interesting to compare the results to what was "reported"/fed to the general population for 2+ years, by the CDC, Fauci, and even the POTUS:

Do you believe...

That the CV19 virus was likely leaked or released from the CV research facility in Wuhan, China?

That the U.S. government was involved in/funded gain of function research there?

That cloth or paper masks are able to stop respiratory viral transmission?

That healthy children are at any significant risk from CV infection?

That shutting down schools, sports, and extracurriculars is without harm and an effective way to end the pandemic?

That mRNA shots have a good likelihood of ending the pandemic by eliminating CV19?

That mRNA shots will prevent the continued mutation of CV19 into new variants?

That people who take the mRNA shots are not going to catch CV19?

That mRNA CV19 shots are "safe and effective," with no evidence of adverse events that should be required to be listed on advertising, etc like all other drugs/therapeutics?

 

[kiddiedoc]

I would say it was valuable for the most vulnerable population (50+, unhealthy, or preexisting conditions) but the threat of mandates was asinine and not supported by the data, especially for those not in a vulnerable group...

That wasn't my question

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

That wasn't my question

I would say somewhat similar, maybe slightly more concerned. Just haven't seen the "smoking gun" apples to apples analysis that shows a material, widespread impact. That's my answer today. Obviously, it's subject to revision either direction based on more data...

 

[82_VOL_83]

There's a lot of people still battling pride, when you should be looking into what you can do to reverse the damage and ill effects for yourself and those you love. What I am going to guess WON'T help is attacking the messengers of the reality you want to ignore.

Send your message, leave your condescension at the door. Would be more receptive.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Still waiting on data that shows those that got vax did better with Delta. Funny that the same people saying the people dropping like flies is anecdotal, seem to ignore the so called helpfulness of vax on delta is anecdotal as well.

Where I work, 15 people were out of work for an extended period with the original Covid in the first wave. Some very ill but no deaths or hospitalizations. During Delta, 4 contracted Covid and died within about 2 - 3 weeks of contracting the disease. None vax'd. This is anecdotal but in a closed population of about 450, we got hit hard.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I would say somewhat similar, maybe slightly more concerned. Just haven't seen the "smoking gun" apples to apples analysis that shows a material, widespread impact. That's my answer today. Obviously, it's subject to revision either direction based on more data...

I would agree with you, but I probably started with more concern than you, and nothing has eased my worries.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Where I work, 15 people were out of work for an extended period with the original Covid in the first wave. Some very ill but no deaths or hospitalizations. During Delta, 4 contracted Covid and died within about 2 - 3 weeks of contracting the disease. None vax'd. This is anecdotal but in a closed population of about 450, we got hit hard.

Let me correct, 15 in the first wave around March/April 2020. We had more than I can remember for the rest of the year.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Actually changing doctors Saved me. I ditched the doctor who faithfully followed CDC protocols (that was killing people) I ditched the doctor that didn't bother to make sure I had anti inflammatory medication upon being released from the hospital the first time. I then acquired a Doctor who could care less about what the mainstream says, did not buckle to threats on their license, and instead rolled up their sleeves and started going through data and treatments that were working best for recovery. It was after I started following HIS regime, the ones the media chided....I finally was able to get off oxygen and started making a speedy recovery on my lungs. Funney enough everything he recommended within like 6 months became a common recommendation among teh front line doctors etc as being proven to help. I still have a ways to go, but my bloods not clotting...so there's that. I'm glad your concerned about my health though.

And while I consider you a friend as we’ve met in person and I’m very glad you changed Drs because I’m grateful you’re still here.
None of that addresses the fact that having Covid puts you just as much if not more at risk for heart disease as the vaccine.

I meant what I said when you came back.

 

[SamRebel35]

Here's a fun exercise: Answer the following questions with a simple yes or no. It will be interesting to compare the results to what was "reported"/fed to the general population for 2+ years, by the CDC, Fauci, and even the POTUS:

Do you believe...

That the CV19 virus was likely leaked or released from the CV research facility in Wuhan, China?

yes

That the U.S. government was involved in/funded gain of function research there?

Yes. That has been proven by leaked emails

That cloth or paper masks are able to stop respiratory viral transmission?

not at all, as Fauci orignally stated

That healthy children are at any significant risk from CV infection?

Still no as was the case early on

That shutting down schools, sports, and extracurriculars is without harm and an effective way to end the pandemic?

Obviously irrelevant actions and futile

That mRNA shots have a good likelihood of ending the pandemic by eliminating CV19?

Many skeptics thought early on that skipping over alternative treatments while waiting for the golden ticket vaccines would enable the virus to become endemic. Further, that the vaccines could very well drive mutations creating more and more variants. Those skeptics were right. No guarantee that we would've been able to keep it from becoming endemic, but waiting while sitting on our hands was an absolutely irresponsible way of proceeding with public health policy.

That mRNA shots will prevent the continued mutation of CV19 into new variants?

The opposite appears to be happening

That people who take the mRNA shots are not going to catch CV19?

May have been true for wild type through delta, but not the case now.

That mRNA CV19 shots are "safe and effective," with no evidence of adverse events that should be required to be listed on advertising, etc like all other drugs/therapeutics?

Though it may be less lethal than Covid, it is not in the ballpark of being "safe" by our traditional standards of measuring vaccine safety. It is criminal that these things are being pushed as though they are absolutely beneficial regardless of general health status and age and that they are absolutely safe. That flies in the face of the notion of "informed consent". If they lie to you about the safety and the effectiveness in order to manipulate you into taking it, you have not been informed, and cannot consent.

My answers in bold above. Obviously, I ignored the part about "simple yes or no"

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Interesting, I love some good statistics.. I’m an RN they are like porn to me lol

Odd comparison with stats and porn.

 

[SlipKidVol]

“The shots were effective against the virus. Look at the stats.”

Oh by the way down the road, the shots did not cause heart damage, clots, cancer, strokes, and other organ damage.

we are not "down the road"

 

[VolinWayne]

Just a reminder of where this was headed until enough people said this isn't happening.



Jacinda Ardern's Two-Tiered Vax Pass Society (Oct. 2021)

Reporter: “So you’ve basically said this is gonna be like … two different classes of people if you’re vaccinated or unvaccinated. You have all these rights if you are vaccinated.”

Ardern: *With a grin* “That is what it is. So, yep. yep.”

Jacinda Ardern's Two-Tiered Vax Pass Society (Oct. 2021)

 

[VolinWayne]

Jacinda Ardern: "You Can Trust Us ... We Will Continue to Be Your Single Source of Truth" (July 2021)

"Dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth."

"Everything else you see — a grain of salt."

"Unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth."


Jacinda Ardern: "You Can Trust Us ... We Will Continue to Be Your Single Source of Truth" (July 2021)

 

[newyorkvol]

So, would you each say that you are MORE or LESS concerned about long term safety of the mRNA shots than you were 2 years ago as they were rolled out as "safe and effective," with no risks of CV complications, strokes, or effect on fertility?

More concerned.

Which brings me back to the beginning of the vaccine. It should’ve gone to those over 75 first and without question. It was a huge public health and political mistake to have health care workers prioritized over the people actually doing most of the dying. Imagine if 90+% of >75yo had gotten one dose by March 2021.

But then again Pfizer and Moderna would be a lot poorer.

 

[ButchPlz]

More concerned.

Which brings me back to the beginning of the vaccine. It should’ve gone to those over 75 first and without question. It was a huge public health and political mistake to have health care workers prioritized over the people actually doing most of the dying. Imagine if 90+% of >75yo had gotten one dose by March 2021.

But then again Pfizer and Moderna would be a lot poorer.

The entire rollout and all the "data" coming out about the vax in the beginning (and even to an extent now) were all about that. It's quite bluntly the Occam's Razor-type answer to say this was all about profit when you actually look at the scenario, with a revolving door and huge financial investments between government agencies, healthcare-focused non-profits and foundations, and big pharma companies. Then when you start looking at the disclosures on all the studies that promote this particular attempt at a therapy... woof.

 

[Jxn Vol]

we are not "down the road"

It has the potential to get worse unfortunately

 

[Jxn Vol]

And while I consider you a friend as we’ve met in person and I’m very glad you changed Drs because I’m grateful you’re still here.
None of that addresses the fact that having Covid puts you just as much if not more at risk for heart disease as the vaccine.

I meant what I said when you came back.

That can’t be confirmed yet because the shot has no long term safety data. And some heart damage takes years to manifest.

Sorry but that is just the facts no matter how many times you compare the shot and the virus.

 

[kiddiedoc]

My answers in bold above. Obviously, I ignored the part about "simple yes or no"

I don't think even the Branch Covidians in this thread could argue with those answers. Take note that the OPPOSITE of every answer was pushed and labeled as "Science." Remember that if you responded with those answers 2 years ago, you were a conspiracist, science-denying lunatic.

Keep that in mind when the doctors who are now coming forward with serious mRNA shot cardiovascular concerns are labeled as such by the MSM. Pay attention: they are probably on to something.