Vaccine or not?

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Orangeslice13 said:
Ignoring the stronger cause won’t and didn’t protect you
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Actually changing doctors Saved me. I ditched the doctor who faithfully followed CDC protocols (that was killing people) I ditched the doctor that didn't bother to make sure I had anti inflammatory medication upon being released from the hospital the first time. I then acquired a Doctor who could care less about what the mainstream says, did not buckle to threats on their license, and instead rolled up their sleeves and started going through data and treatments that were working best for recovery. It was after I started following HIS regime, the ones the media chided....I finally was able to get off oxygen and started making a speedy recovery on my lungs. Funney enough everything he recommended within like 6 months became a common recommendation among teh front line doctors etc as being proven to help. I still have a ways to go, but my bloods not clotting...so there's that. I'm glad your concerned about my health though.
 
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There's a lot of people still battling pride, when you should be looking into what you can do to reverse the damage and ill effects for yourself and those you love. What I am going to guess WON'T help is attacking the messengers of the reality you want to ignore.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
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That study has been widely debunked for many reasons. For example, it is comparing the deaths of a 19 year old that died during competition to Mike Leach, who was 61, had preexisting heart issues, was not an athlete, and who had his fatal cardiac event on the couch. It includes Henry Aaron who was nearly 90. It includes people who died of cancer, drug abuse, and preexisting issues. That study is absolute garbage and by referencing it, you hurt the point you are trying to make. There could be legitimate issues but when people reference something so flawed, it makes it easy to dismiss.

Again, I'm open to adjusting my viewpoint when I see an apples to apples comparison. For example, if XXXXX type of cancer increased 30% from 2019 to 2022 in vaccinated people, that would be a good study to reference. For example, you have seen that with the myocarditis research that has been done for those under 30. It has shown a small (in absolute numbers) but large (in percentage terms) increase.


If you want to look at an apples to apples comparison, there is a study out there that shows sudden cardiac deaths for football players in 2019 vs 2021. This covers middle school and up. There were fewer deaths in 21 than 19.
 
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Very good info for those wanting to reverse damage. For people who think it's no big deal you can scroll by and I'm sure you'll be fine...right?.. good luck.
 
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I just met a Contractor this morning who shared with me his battle with cardiovascular issues and other health issues since he got the jab. He had a heart attack 6 weeks after getting the vaccine back in 2021. His doctor told him it was definitely caused by the vaccine.
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Anecdotally, my 70 y/o great uncle was vaccinated by the time of the delta surge. And my 35 y/o second cousin (his only daughter) was not vaccinated. She passed away as her organs failed because of the destruction of the lungs just like you said. He only had what felt like a slight cold and only got tested because she had gotten so ill.
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Had to resurrect your post lol.. the vax seemed to work great for my parents (in the their 70s , but they also were OCD and never went anywhere).. my husband and I (in our 40s) got fully vaxxed and boosted and got breakthrough covid twice, we both also got post Covid pneumonia and he had five strokes (CVAs)… we aren’t fat lol..
 
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LadyVolette said:
Had to resurrect your post lol.. the vax seemed to work great for my parents (in the their 70s , but they also were OCD and never went anywhere).. my husband and I (in our 40s) got fully vaxxed and boosted and got breakthrough covid twice, we both also got post Covid pneumonia and he had five strokes (CVAs)… we aren’t fat lol..
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Sorry to hear that. It also seemed that the vax seemed much more effective for the delta wave, and since then seems to be useless.
 
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My take is if you are really old, take it, if you are really young, definitely don’t take it, and if you are middle aged and pretty healthy, don’t take it.. it’s not one size fits all…but if I had to do it all over again, we wouldn’t have taken them
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Sorry to hear that. It also seemed that the vax seemed much more effective for the delta wave, and since then seems to be useless.
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Yeah, whatever we got, I am assuming Omicron, was not good.. my son had it though first, and he just had a fever for 24 hours and a little cough.. no vaccine, but he is also a lot younger than us lol
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Sorry to hear that. It also seemed that the vax seemed much more effective for the delta wave, and since then seems to be useless.
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Still waiting on data that shows those that got vax did better with Delta. Funny that the same people saying the people dropping like flies is anecdotal, seem to ignore the so called helpfulness of vax on delta is anecdotal as well.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Still waiting on data that shows those that got vax did better with Delta. Funny that the same people saying the people dropping like flies is anecdotal, seem to ignore the so called helpfulness of vax on delta is anecdotal as well.
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Yeah it was definitely anecdotal in my families case. My cousin died of "delta strain" without the vax and her 75 year old dad was fine with the vax. But im sure theres all kinds of anecdotal individual stories like that both ways.
 
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LadyVolette said:
My take is if you are really old, take it, if you are really young, definitely don’t take it, and if you are middle aged and pretty healthy, don’t take it.. it’s not one size fits all…but if I had to do it all over again, we wouldn’t have taken them
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Agree. Pretty much what the data proves out, especially in the past 15-16 months....
 
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LadyVolette said:
My take is if you are really old, take it, if you are really young, definitely don’t take it, and if you are middle aged and pretty healthy, don’t take it.. it’s not one size fits all…but if I had to do it all over again, we wouldn’t have taken them
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I didn’t get it and am very happy for that decision. I came really close though. I have a job that requires frequent domestic and international travel, and travel to some of those countries was off limits for quite a while if you didn’t have your papers.

My company fortunately never required the jab as a condition of employment, but they did press really hard. Including one of my VPs who frequently made derogatory comments about the unvaxed (directed at me) despite the fact that they were not supposed to have access to their employees status.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Still waiting on data that shows those that got vax did better with Delta. Funny that the same people saying the people dropping like flies is anecdotal, seem to ignore the so called helpfulness of vax on delta is anecdotal as well.
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Plenty of data that shows vaxxed (especially those 40+) did much better than unvaxxed in August-Sept of 2021...

But yes, the vax was less effective on Omicron and especially less effective on what was after Omicron.
 
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Big Orange#1 said:
Yeah it was definitely anecdotal in my families case. My cousin died of "delta strain" without the vax and her 75 year old dad was fine with the vax. But im sure theres all kinds of anecdotal individual stories like that both ways.
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I don't need to go to a family relative for an anecdote. I did not get the vax and was one of the ones on my floor at the hospital to survive Delta. I was one of the very few that survived after getting to the stage just short of a vent (bipap, xrays of lungs completely milk white, Cytokine storm etc) . Where as many died with the Vax. I credit my hospitalist and pulmonologist most for trying a very aggressive steroid regime that was experimental at the time. Also proning 24/7 regardless of pain it caused. Someone I knew well had their brother go to the hospital across town that was following the CDC protocol (Vent) and using Remdesivir, they desperately begged hospital not to use it they did anyway, and brother as well as most everyone who went there died, as that protocol was pretty much euthanasia.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I don't need to go to a family relative for an anecdote. I did not get the vax and was one of the ones on my floor at the hospital to survive Delta. I was one of the very few that survived after getting to the stage just short of a vent (bipap, xrays of lungs completely milk white, Cytokine storm etc) . Where as many died with the Vax. I credit my hospitalist and pulmonologist most for trying a very aggressive steroid regime that was experimental at the time. Also proning 24/7 regardless of pain it caused. Someone I knew well had their brother go to the hospital across town that was following the CDC protocol (Vent) and using Remdesivir, they desperately begged hospital not to use it they did anyway, and brother as well as most everyone who went there died, as that protocol was pretty much euthanasia.
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We always hear that those with the shots do better than those without, but we're always missing crucial info in most cases, especially related to the actual treatment once someone has the illness.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I didn’t get it and am very happy for that decision. I came really close though. I have a job that requires frequent domestic and international travel, and travel to some of those countries was off limits for quite a while if you didn’t have your papers.

My company fortunately never required the jab as a condition of employment, but they did press really hard. Including one of my VPs who frequently made derogatory comments about the unvaxed (directed at me) despite the fact that they were not supposed to have access to their employees status.
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Yeah, it was very tense time looking back on it, probably for everyone.. some were scared sh!tless, and I get it, but it did seem some people went full cuckoo.. I think everyone was just trying to do what they thought was right at the time, so I try to allow some folks grace, we all need to remember how I suppose.. it’s just a very tricky /manmade/ virus… I worked around Covid patients March-Dec 2020 (many I was direct clinical care without special precautions (just your universal, gloves, your mask if you suctioned, etc) in March, because we did not know they were Covid pos at the time..) I never got sick during that time although many of my coworkers did.. my husband and I never got Covid until we got fully vaxxed.. was probably just coincidence, but my gut tells me it primed his blood to clot, so when he actually got the breakthrough Covid, he was throwing off clots…the neurologists and hematologist said anything is possible really, which is not very reassuring
 
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Death rates per 100K covid cases during peak of Delta (7/31/21 - 10/2/2021)

Vax

Under 30: .18
30-49: 1.44
50-64: 7.90
Over 65: 152.97

Unvax:

Under 30: 6.80
30-49: 51.50
50-64: 207.58
Over 65: 1354.07

Just for comparisons sake, here are vax and unvax death rates per 100K covid diagnoses the past 2 months:

Under 30: (.09 vs .41)
30-49: (.61 vs 2.65)
50-64: (2.67 vs 14.42)
Over 65: (83.87 vs 408.32)

Pretty easy to tell, effectiveness of vax has waned and the COVID strands are much weaker now..
 
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