Vaccine or not?

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#24,876
Orangeslice13 said:
Covid is horrible on the heart.

How does COVID-19 affect a person's heart?
About 20-30% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 show heart problems. These patients tend to have more severe symptoms and worse health outcomes. Their heart issues can be due to direct damage from the virus, resulting in heart inflammation, or the indirect effect of inflammatory proteins (known as cytokines) released in the bloodstream. Heart muscle inflammation (myocarditis) commonly manifests as heart failure or through uneven heartbeat (arrhythmia). Sudden death in COVID-19 patients caused by arrhythmia can be a consequence of these heart problems.

COVID-19 is also associated with the inflammation of the vascular lining and an increased risk for blood clots forming in large blood vessels and small vessels, particularly in the heart and lungs. The inflammation and the blood clots can lead to poor oxygen levels in these critical organs.

The risk of heart attack and stroke is also higher among COVID-19 patients.

Heart inflammation, COVID-19 and the rare side effects of the vaccine
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No studies linked. No explanation if that "20-30%" is people with COVID independent of the vaccine, making the link clear. The article (which is all this is) is also a year and a half old.
 
#24,877
#24,877
Orangeslice13 said:
Covid is horrible on the heart.

How does COVID-19 affect a person's heart?
About 20-30% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 show heart problems. These patients tend to have more severe symptoms and worse health outcomes. Their heart issues can be due to direct damage from the virus, resulting in heart inflammation, or the indirect effect of inflammatory proteins (known as cytokines) released in the bloodstream. Heart muscle inflammation (myocarditis) commonly manifests as heart failure or through uneven heartbeat (arrhythmia). Sudden death in COVID-19 patients caused by arrhythmia can be a consequence of these heart problems.

COVID-19 is also associated with the inflammation of the vascular lining and an increased risk for blood clots forming in large blood vessels and small vessels, particularly in the heart and lungs. The inflammation and the blood clots can lead to poor oxygen levels in these critical organs.

The risk of heart attack and stroke is also higher among COVID-19 patients.

Heart inflammation, COVID-19 and the rare side effects of the vaccine
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I think its fair to say the question that needs to be being asked is what percentage of the people who are having heart complications after contracting covid are also vaccinated and what percentage are not vaccinated. It's a known fact that a side effect of the vaccine is myocarditis. What happens when you compound that with the actual virus? I'll just say the majority of the people who I know that are having heart complications as well as the majority of the sudden cardiac Arrests we see in the news are in people who are vaccinated. I know very few people who are having heart complications who didn't take at least the first 2 doses.
 
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#24,878
Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Except 2 may not be 2 it may be 1.5, and or 2.8. Some of your assumptions are based on facts that clearly are not true. Much of what was previously stated as gospel, and anyone who questioned it was threatened in a way that would make Goebbels proud, and is now laughably shown to be untrue, complete now with twitter e-mails on suppressing the truth. I love ya man, but I think you need to read more current articles on the absolute tidal wave of issues and data coming out now. It's not just hindsight either, they KNEW, and they did it anyway. The vaccine was never tested successfully. (though I am sure it was tested unsuccessfully) There NEVER are going to be the peer reviewed studies some are requiring because there is 1) no financial incentive, and 2) plenty of legal disincentive. However at this point the numbers and common sense are becoming so vast it's clear to anyone who is not willfully sticking their head in the sand. I'd be more then happy to put you in contact with my local doctor who can preach sermons on all the issues with the MRNA shots. Will most other doctors agree? Probably not but they're all in a state of CYA because they went along to get along with what may end up being mass murder.

2+2 only equals 4 when 2 is in fact 2.

One can pretend to be dispassionate on subjects to an extent. But more and more people now have family and friends that are victims of this over reach. If someone poisoned your child with a cup of poison and you saw first hand the effects, you're not going to try and take a political safe middle ground and suggest everyone just drink half a cup of poison.
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2+2=5 for large values of 2. 2.4 + 2.4=4.8 when rounded is 5.
 
#24,881
#24,881
Orangeslice13 said:
Covid is horrible on the heart.

How does COVID-19 affect a person's heart?
About 20-30% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 show heart problems. These patients tend to have more severe symptoms and worse health outcomes. Their heart issues can be due to direct damage from the virus, resulting in heart inflammation, or the indirect effect of inflammatory proteins (known as cytokines) released in the bloodstream. Heart muscle inflammation (myocarditis) commonly manifests as heart failure or through uneven heartbeat (arrhythmia). Sudden death in COVID-19 patients caused by arrhythmia can be a consequence of these heart problems.

COVID-19 is also associated with the inflammation of the vascular lining and an increased risk for blood clots forming in large blood vessels and small vessels, particularly in the heart and lungs. The inflammation and the blood clots can lead to poor oxygen levels in these critical organs.

The risk of heart attack and stroke is also higher among COVID-19 patients.

Heart inflammation, COVID-19 and the rare side effects of the vaccine
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Vaccinating After Recovering from COVID-19
 
#24,883
#24,883
Orangeslice13 said:
stopped reading right here
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Stopped reading here as well, at this point you're more about defending your ego then any useful dialogue...so fine, defend the narrative, ignore what's happening. I find it more then a little bit ironic. The Amalekites are back brother, and the sooner you and others realize it the better. THIS was and is planned. If you have no desire to read what I am posting then feel free tro scroll by, and we can both save some time.
 
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#24,887
Orangeslice13 said:
not reading that.
Vaccine after recovering would be a stupid thing to do
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Exactly....many people did exactly this because of the guidance they received and the mandates that were put into place. Remember the whole natural immunity thing was a conspiracy theory. Peter McCulough does a great job of explaining his theory of why the increase in sudden deaths and cardiac issues might have to do with compounding the vaccine with the actual virus itself and the harm that's caused by the spike protein.
 
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#24,890
VolinWayne said:
Exactly....many people did exactly this because of the guidance they received and the mandates that were put into place. Remember the whole natural immunity thing was a conspiracy theory.
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Lololol
No it wasn’t
There were a lot of people, including you at times , that wanted to confuse the issue.

Comparing natural immunity vs the vaccine for those who had NOT had the virus was just plain stupid.

There are those that think you should get the vaccine after having it but that’s just as stupid.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Just calling bull **** where I see it
And the fact remains that Covid causes more cardiovascular disease issues than the vaccine you crusade against
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That’s not a fact just yet. The shot doesn’t have long term safety data. So that “fact” has yet to be determined. Furthermore if the shot doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus then there is no sense in getting it. Unless you want the side effects that the shot provides. Once we have long term safety data then the side effects will be more clear. Until then we will continue with clots, strokes, sudden adult deaths, etc.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lololol
No it wasn’t
There were a lot of people, including you at times , that wanted to confuse the issue.

Comparing natural immunity vs the vaccine for those who had NOT had the virus was just plain stupid.

There are those that think you should get the vaccine after having it but that’s just as stupid.
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How can you say that people did not get vaccinated after they had the virus when it was mandated the way that it was? Are you saying the mandates didn't happen? That is simply an incorrect statement. Maybe I'm just not understanding your response.
 
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#24,893
Orangeslice13 said:
Just calling bull **** where I see it
And the fact remains that Covid causes more cardiovascular disease issues than the vaccine you crusade against
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My question is did the studies you are basing this off of include vaccinated people who also got infected with covid whether the infection was prior to or after vaccination. That's some pretty critical information if it has not been included in the study.
 
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#24,894
VolinWayne said:
My question is did the studies you are basing this off of include vaccinated people who also got infected with covid whether the infection was prior to or after vaccination. That's some pretty critical information if it has not been included in the study.
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Agreed. We don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine or the virus, and we know that there’s some shadiness going on with reporting the short term effects of both. I just want transparency. I didn’t get vaccinated (I probably would have because I was worried just like many other people). I got the virus in the first wave that was the deadliest. I never felt horrible, but I do believe I developed some short term heart issues that appeared to resolve a few months later.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lololol
No it wasn’t
There were a lot of people, including you at times , that wanted to confuse the issue.

Comparing natural immunity vs the vaccine for those who had NOT had the virus was just plain stupid.

There are those that think you should get the vaccine after having it but that’s just as stupid.
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Pretty much our story. We got ASAP because GVG Cancer. Got booster for same reason. Wasn't as widely known that the vax was as ineffective as it is. Got Covid about 3 months after booster. Was a sinus infection only. No fever or other symptoms. GVG and 36 hours of fever. We were done and over it. I got to work from home for two weeks.

I still get my flu shot and will continue to take vaccines as needed for other maladies but I am done with Covid vax. It's not really an issue. I am absolutely astounded with those that still advertise every death under 40 as a bad-vax flag and those that argue that you better go get it or you will be on a ventilator in the hospital. Are people really that damn ignorant and SELF CENTERED in this country?
 
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#24,897
davethevol said:
Agreed. We don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine or the virus, and we know that there’s some shadiness going on with reporting the short term effects of both. I just want transparency. I didn’t get vaccinated (I probably would have because I was worried just like many other people). I got the virus in the first wave that was the deadliest. I never felt horrible, but I do believe I developed some short term heart issues that appeared to resolve a few months later.
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I guess I am double f'd then. I got the initial vax and covid. Guess I'm going to be retarded and die of a heart attack, unless I grow a 3rd eye or something first.
 
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davethevol said:
Agreed. We don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine or the virus, and we know that there’s some shadiness going on with reporting the short term effects of both. I just want transparency. I didn’t get vaccinated (I probably would have because I was worried just like many other people). I got the virus in the first wave that was the deadliest. I never felt horrible, but I do believe I developed some short term heart issues that appeared to resolve a few months later.
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Reasonable.
 
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