Venezuela's Triumphant Socialist Paradise

[Tennesseefan2019]

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Breaking: United Nations Agencies Endorses Maduro - Discuss Projects in Venezuela


I hope we pull out of the useless UN.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Breaking: United Nations Agencies Endorses Maduro - Discuss Projects in Venezuela


I hope we pull out of the useless UN.

The UN has went full bore Communist and the US does need to leave it

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Violation of Vienna Convention... nothing good can come out of this.

SWAT Team Raids Venezuelan Embassy In DC To Cheers Of Guaido Supporters

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Violation of Vienna Convention... nothing good can come out of this.

SWAT Team Raids Venezuelan Embassy In DC To Cheers Of Guaido Supporters

My money's on nothing will come of it, period.

 

[Matt2496]

Violation of Vienna Convention... nothing good can come out of this.

SWAT Team Raids Venezuelan Embassy In DC To Cheers Of Guaido Supporters

This is some real thuggery by the US here. Let's just violate international law on any whim.

Sometimes I wonder if the US is the real "rogue state".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

My money's on nothing will come of it, period.

Is that just or unjust if nothing comes of it?

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Is that just or unjust if nothing comes of it?

There's a lot more to the story, Ras. I'm still reading some of it. It's late, and to be honest, I couldn't care much less about it.

But nothing will come of it. As to whether it's "just" or not, I guess that depends on whether you believe it is, or is not, a true violation of the Vienna Convention, which ...as you know...was never ratified in Congress. We just "agreed" to abide by certain provisions in it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

This is some real thuggery by the US here. Let's just violate international law on any whim.

Sometimes I wonder if the US is the real "rogue state".

So we prop up a School of the Americas-style puppet in Guaido and then use Soros protesters to march around the embassy before finally sending in the jackbooting thugs.

If the law enforcement here don't respect the laws here in the states, why would they respect international law?

The raid was likely on orders from the highest levels of the State Department, given the US only recognizes Juan Guaido's opposition movement as the sole legitimate authority in Venezuela, even though it has no power domestically, but is a kind of government-in-exile.

So what gives the US the authority to jump into this matter?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

There's a lot more to the story, Ras. I'm still reading some of it. It's late, and to be honest, I couldn't care much less about it.

But nothing will come of it. As to whether it's "just" or not, I guess that depends on whether you believe it is, or is not, a true violation of the Vienna Convention, which ...as you know...was never ratified in Congress. We just "agreed" to abide by certain provisions in it.

Lets throw the Vienna Convention out of it then and just tell me if this was a just or unjust action. We picked a side in a country's internal debate and took action with the use of force. The people in the embassy had violated no laws of this land as far as we can tell, yet had SWAT thrown at them.

 

[Pacer92]

This is some real thuggery by the US here. Let's just violate international law on any whim.

Sometimes I wonder if the US is the real "rogue state".

You’re starting to get it...

 

[Velo Vol]

There's a lot more to the story, Ras.

What else is there?

It certainly seems like a no-no. And for what? It's not going to change anything in Venezuela.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Lets throw the Vienna Convention out of it then and just tell me if this was a just or unjust action. We picked a side in a country's internal debate and took action with the use of force. The people in the embassy had violated no laws of this land as far as we can tell, yet had SWAT thrown at them.

Okay, Vienna Convention's out. Just or unjust?

So the US "picked a side in an internal debate". Meh, not really. The US, along with quite a number of other nations (excluding, of course, the world-renowned democracies of Russia, North Korea, and Cuba) recognizes Guaido as the elected head of Venezuela (there's another point of contention for you if you need it). His is, in fact, a government-in-exile. But if we recognize Guaido, then the Venezuelan embassy belongs to...drum roll...his government.

So if the Venezuelan government we (among others) recognize as the legitimate Venezuelan government requested that we assist them in removing what was, in fact, squatters in their embassy...then yes, it was a just action. As for "throwing SWAT at them", it looked like a fairly low-key op to me. What were we supposed to send, a locksmith and the D.C. Welcome Wagon?

Pick your battles, Ras. You're an intelligent person. This is a very low hill made of South American political garbage to plant your flag on.

 

[Grand Vol]

So we prop up a School of the Americas-style puppet in Guaido and then use Soros protesters to march around the embassy before finally sending in the jackbooting thugs.

If the law enforcement here don't respect the laws here in the states, why would they respect international law?



So what gives the US the authority to jump into this matter?

There's always a Paul Harvey moment with your links...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-forcibly-remove-activists-living-in-the-venezuelan-embassy-in-washington/2019/05/16/80d464be-77cf-11e9-b3f5-5673edf2d127_story.html

The Venezuelan Embassy in Washington’s Georgetown neighborhood has been the site of dueling protests between backers of embattled President Nicolás Maduro and supporters of Guaidó, who has been recognized by the United States and about 50 other nations as the country’s interim president.

Carlos Vecchio, the Guaidó-appointed ambassador recognized by the U.S. government, said his diplomatic mission would take control of the embassy Thursday evening.

Earlier this week, Vecchio requested U.S. assistance in removing activists living inside the embassy and gave federal law enforcement officers permission to enter, a State Department spokesman said. U.S. Magistrate Judge G. Michael Harvey later issued a warrant for the demonstrators’ arrests.

Also:

Activists at Venezuelan embassy in US ignore warning

‘We Are Going To Take Over the Premises’

The Politico article spells out the legalities.

 

[Grand Vol]

What else is there?

It certainly seems like a no-no. And for what? It's not going to change anything in Venezuela.

See links above.

 

[Velo Vol]

Lets throw the Vienna Convention out of it then and just tell me if this was a just or unjust action.

No, how about we not throw the convention out. That's what makes this unjust. Imagine another nation breaking into an American embassy. That would go over real well.

 

[Grand Vol]

Also:

Guaidó, Not Maduro, Is the De Jure President of Venezuela

 

[Grand Vol]

No, how about we not throw the convention out. That's what makes this unjust. Imagine another nation breaking into an American embassy. That would go over real well.

You'd have a great point...

If they just went in all crazy like. However, they were invited by the recognized ambassador of Venezuela.

 

[RavinDave]

People are absolutely deluding themselves if they think Putin is going to miss an opportunity to create a client state in our hemisphere.

I rarely find a post of yours that I can agree with, but you nailed it with this one.

 

[Velo Vol]

You'd have a great point...

If they just went in all crazy like. However, they were invited by the recognized ambassador of Venezuela.

OK., I was just reacting to what was posted without the details. So it all goes back to this:

The Embassy of Venezuela’s previous occupants, the diplomatic corps of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, have been gone since April 24, after the White House revoked their status and ordered them to leave the building.

Is that legal? Or rather, is it enforceable?

 

[Grand Vol]

OK., I was just reacting to what was posted without the details.

It's a Ras outrage link. Normally a quick Google search will fill in the blanks he's missing with his info.

So it all goes back to this:

Is that legal? Or rather, is it enforceable?

The revocation of their diplomatic passports? Sure, happens all the time. And once said passports are revoked, said diplomats have to leave country. It happened not long ago with the Russians if you recall. The State Department under Obama (might have been Trump?) revoked the diplomatic status of that whole building and sent them home.

Basically, with the US not recognizing the Maduro regime made the diplomatic mission illegal. Hence, why they kicked them out only to turn around and approve the Ambassador sent by Guaidó since he is the legitimate head of the Venezuelan government at the moment.

 

[Grand Vol]

OK., I was just reacting to what was posted without the details. So it all goes back to this:

Is that legal? Or rather, is it enforceable?

Here it is:

27 countries pledge to kick out Russian diplomats over poisoning of ex-spy

ETA:

Actually was both Obama and Trump.

White House Penalizes Russians Over Election Meddling and Cyberattacks

 

[Grand Vol]

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[Velo Vol]

The revocation of their diplomatic passports? Sure, happens all the time. And once said passports are revoked, said diplomats have to leave country. It happened not long ago with the Russians if you recall. The State Department under Obama (might have been Trump?) revoked the diplomatic status of that whole building and sent them home.

Sure, the host country can order diplomats to leave. However, if one parked himself inside the chancery and never left the compound (Assange style), the host country couldn't remove him, right?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Sure, the host country can order diplomats to leave. However, if one parked himself inside the chancery and never left the compound (Assange style), the host country couldn't remove him, right?

He was the guest of the recognized government occupying the embassy. In this case the squatters where not representatives of the recognized government, whom asked us to remove the squatters.