Venezuela's Triumphant Socialist Paradise

[Rasputin_Vol]

My response to your original comment made no reference at all to the Venezuelan Constitution. Go look.

I think you're taking it personal. You aren't the only one that came at me. They are the ones that made mention of the Venezuelan Constitution.

 

[Velo Vol]

Again, I am not the one that used the argument of calling Guaido the "recognized" leader of Venezuela based on the Venezuelan Constitution.

It's a good argument, though. Maybe you should.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's a good argument, though. Maybe you should.

So who should we believe... Maduro or the US media and govt?

Both sides pointing fingers and neither is trustworthy.

 

[hog88]

So who should we believe... Maduro or the US media and govt?

Both sides pointing fingers and neither is trustworthy.

Good point.

 

[Velo Vol]

So who should we believe... Maduro or the US media and govt?

Both sides pointing fingers and neither is trustworthy.

You don't have to believe either. Try Diego A. Zambrano (an assistant professor of law at Stanford Law School and originally from Venezuela)

This article gives a good account of what happened. It's not opinion as Ras thinks.

Guaidó, Not Maduro, Is the De Jure President of Venezuela

Or read the constitution yourself.

Justia Venezuela :: Constitución de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela :: Ley de Venezuela

 

[volfanhill]

You don't have to believe either. Try Diego A. Zambrano (an assistant professor of law at Stanford Law School and originally from Venezuela)


Or read the constitution yourself.

Justia Venezuela :: Constitución de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela :: Ley de Venezuela

You have to forgive RAS. He has yet to meet a despot he doesn’t love. This guy complains about US media but constantly posts articles from RT. Literally state run media. Convinced that Assad was democratically elected. Tries to argue that Maduro is legitimate, until GV bitch slapped him, and all we do is bad.

I agree with many of his points. He just doesn’t see the giant blind side he preaches from.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russia gets "invited." Oddly America never gets invited.

Who "invited" the US to Syria?

If you think it is odd that we don't get invited, is that a poor reflection on the host countries or a poor reflection on the guests?

 

[Grand Vol]

Russia gets "invited." Oddly America never gets invited.

Because we're cool enough not to need an invitation.

 

[hog88]

Who "invited" the US to Syria?

If you think it is odd that we don't get invited, is that a poor reflection on the host countries or a poor reflection on the guests?

Despots generally don’t invite us to their parties.

 

[Velo Vol]

Who "invited" the US to Syria?

I'd be interested to know what a poll of the Syrian people would show on which country they view more favorably: America or Russia.

Same for Venezuela.

 

[Grand Vol]

How did I move the goal posts? I'm not the one that said we need to uphold the Venezuelan Constitution. Most of you all are saying that. That is how you all responded to my original comment about the Vienna Convention.

Don't put words or arguments in my mouth.

Actually, the Venezuelans are upholding their Constitution. We're supporting that endeavor. Seems reasonable, no?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Actually, the Venezuelans are upholding their Constitution. We're supporting that endeavor. Seems reasonable, no?

We need to be worried about our own issues in this country.

 

[Grand Vol]

We need to be worried about our own issues in this country.

As if we can't do both at the same time.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

As if we can't do both at the same time.

Why is that necessary?

And for your information, Venezuela isn't the only iron we would have in the fire right now. At what point is enough enough? At what point do we spread ourselves too thin? And at what cost?

 

[Grand Vol]

Why is that necessary?

And for your information, Venezuela isn't the only iron we would have in the fire right now. At what point is enough enough? At what point do we spread ourselves too thin? And at what cost?

Are you just being intentionally obtuse or are you not grasping the multi layered meaning of "support?"

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Are you just being intentionally obtuse or are you not grasping the multi layered meaning of "support?"

I completely understand how we "support" countries or factions. I frankly think we need to use the time and resources tending to our own needs here at home at not concern ourselves with what some banana republic does.

 

[37L1]

I completely understand how we "support" countries or factions. I frankly think we need to use the time and resources tending to our own needs here at home at not concern ourselves with what some banana republic does.

I know you think we exist in a pre-WWI world where isolationism sort of worked based on two large oceans and very few internal combustion engines but going back to before 1823 is nuts, even for you.

 

[Velo Vol]

We're not talking about a colony on the moon here. Caracas is only about 100 miles father from Miami than Chicago is.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I know you think we exist in a pre-WWI world where isolationism sort of worked based on two large oceans and very few internal combustion engines but going back to before 1823 is nuts, even for you.

Non-intervention... we dont have to poke our nose into every regional conflict or disturbance.

 

[Grand Vol]

Non-intervention... we dont have to poke our nose into every regional conflict or disturbance.

We do appear to be sitting this one out...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So who should we believe... Maduro or the US media and govt?

Both sides pointing fingers is trustworthy.

Keep in mind who is saying this... so again, who am I to believe? US military and their Operation Mockingbird media or Maduro?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We do appear to be sitting this one out...

So we aren't "supporting" Colombian forces near the border?