Vince Dooley Says Derek......

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Oskie Volum said:
Seriously man ur response was worse than your original post. The guy was making 1.9 mil a year. Which was on the lowest tier in the SEC and ranked in the 40 range amongst the nations coaches....AT TENNESSEE!!!! The guy worked his azzz off so saying he is getting paid to do nothing or to fail is just ridic. He had a large buyout and a small yrly salary for a reason. He knew he couldn't demand the high salary, but he also wasn't going to let the school off the hook if he's gonna put 3 hardazz yrs of work in, especially when all knew it was going to take 5 yrs, and then get fired. If u don't understand that then that's no ones problem but ur own.
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Dooley had no record of success so of course he couldn't demand a higher salary. He still got paid much more money in 3 years than most people will make in their lifetime. Shame on the fools that drafted the contract that let Dooley off the hook for complete ineptitude. Shame on those that hired him in the first place. Kippy Brown could have been a fine interim HC wile we looked for a guy with an actual resume.
 
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VolsRule said:
It should not have included an obscene buyout for a coach coming from a small school with a losing record.
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We can agree on that, but that doesn't answer the question I asked.

There's a smattering of armchair contract experts in here talking about what should have been in the contract, and I'm asking them to actual give specific terms instead of hiding behind vague blanket statements. It's not that hard to do, or so I thought.
 
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VolsRule said:
It should not have included an obscene buyout for a coach coming from a small school with a losing record.
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Ok, but his agent surely would have negotiated additional compensation on the front end in return. Not too many of these contracts get written up where the schools ever win.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
That's a stupid statement. Our trenches have been horrible for years. Our OL is one of the top groups in the country, and dl has a couple of future pros. His line his first year was loaded with true freshmen.
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Our defense was better in his year "zero" than it was in 12. Your hero took us to historical depths. Face it.
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VKAman said:
I agree with most of what you said, but Wilcox jumped off a sinking ship. He left BECAUSE Dooley was an awful coach. So what you're basically saying is, "Dooley would still be our coach if he wasn't doing such a terrible job."

Not sure why you're making that hypothetical, but I am fairly certain that you're the last person on Earth that still thinks Dooley was a good hire.
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There are more than him. He's just one of the few that still admit it on here.
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KCVolLaw said:
Beef continues on how he started. Not missing much there.

GA has a brain, God bless him.
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That's right KC. I will continue to laugh at people who want to pretend that Dooley was anything but an abject failure.
GA just can't get past how badly DD did. He knows Dooley was a bad hire he tries hard to believe there has to be at least some good in that hire. But there isn't.
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i like how everyone is complaining like people don't get severance packages when they get fired or there is anyone on this board who would have been like no i dont want the money. idiots.
 
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GAVol said:
Ok, but his agent surely would have negotiated additional compensation on the front end in return. Not too many of these contracts get written up where the schools ever win.
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We lost the minute we hired Hamilton. Dooley was not the disease just one of the symptoms.
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zreeves said:
i like how everyone is complaining like people don't get severance packages when they get fired or there is anyone on this board who would have been like no i dont want the money. idiots.
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I understand why people are upset that we spent so much time and money on Dooley's failing ass. But the anger is misdirected. The anger should be aimed at the UT admin.
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VolBeef88 said:
Wrong. Many of us were calling for an interim hire. Fools like you attacked us and proclaimed DD a great hire and all he needed was time. I don't fault him for the contract because that's just business. The UT admin was and is the real problem.
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WRONG!!!! We had NCAA officials crawling all over campus. NOBODY wanted this job. Nobody knew if their was going to be penalties handed down or not. Thank God Dooley was a former AD as well. He had knowledge of what to do. I agree, the man was not a great coach. But he did restore respectability to the program....Sorry, I'll take 3 losing seasons and NCAA probation, rather then facing stiffer penalties.

For those of you who cant see that....your foolish....
 
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douglas67 said:
WRONG!!!! We had NCAA officials crawling all over campus. NOBODY wanted this job. Nobody knew if their was going to be penalties handed down or not. Thank God Dooley was a former AD as well. He had knowledge of what to do. I agree, the man was not a great coach. But he did restore respectability to the program....Sorry, I'll take 3 losing seasons and NCAA probation, rather then facing stiffer penalties.

For those of you who cant see that....your foolish....
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You sir are a bafoon. We had SECONDARY violations. All DD did was not get in the way of the NCAA. He no more "saved" UT than you or I. Naming an interim for 1 year would have been much better. Ask Ohio State. Face it man, your hero is a bust. Now go put on your Orange pants and watch Troy highlights.
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douglas67 said:
WRONG!!!! We had NCAA officials crawling all over campus. NOBODY wanted this job. Nobody knew if their was going to be penalties handed down or not. Thank God Dooley was a former AD as well. He had knowledge of what to do. I agree, the man was not a great coach. But he did restore respectability to the program....Sorry, I'll take 3 losing seasons and NCAA probation, rather then facing stiffer penalties.

For those of you who cant see that....your foolish....
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Also Dougie boy, if you knew anything about our situation you'd know the reason coaches have turned us down has everything to do with our ego maniac chancellor Jimmy Cheek.
But hey, if whimsical anecdotes and a southern accent makes you happy then I can see why you loved Dooley. Maybe we should change the job description from Head Coach to "Good Ol' Boy" huckster. If we did that your hero Dooley would be a perfect fit.
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VolBeef88 said:
Our defense was better in his year "zero" than it was in 12. Your hero took us to historical depths. Face it.
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You said the trenches weren't better. And you were wrong.

Your drama queen "hero" junk is played out. If you knew anything about football, you'd know there isn't a comparison between our trench strength now, as compared to 3 years ago. You know very little, which is why you detour the topic, then start with bs insults, which are also inaccurate.
Same song, different day.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
You said the trenches weren't better. And you were wrong.

Your drama queen "hero" junk is played out. If you knew anything about football, you'd know there isn't a comparison between our trench strength now, as compared to 3 years ago. You know very little, which is why you detour the topic, then start with bs insults, which are also inaccurate.
Same song, different day.
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We stopped the run better in 10 than 12. Each year our run defense got worse especially when it mattered most such as goal line or on 3rd downs.
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Spartacavolus said:
You said the trenches weren't better. And you were wrong.

Your drama queen "hero" junk is played out. If you knew anything about football, you'd know there isn't a comparison between our trench strength now, as compared to 3 years ago. You know very little, which is why you detour the topic, then start with bs insults, which are also inaccurate.
Same song, different day.
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And there's no drama here nancy. It's funny watching you and your ilk want to defend him and say he left us better than he found us and it's not true. He took us to historical low depths, got worse each year in recruiting, ruined relationships with highschool coaches and went through asst coaches at a record pace just to name a few things.
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GAVol said:
And if you took Tony Dorsett from Johnny Majors or Peyton Manning from Phil Fulmer or Tim Tebow from Urban Meyer . . .
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Invalid. All but one of those players actually won a title. Peyton is the most decorated QB but he didn't win a championship.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
We stopped the run better in 10 than 12. Each year our run defense got worse especially when it mattered most such as goal line or on 3rd downs.
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And you think that's because we have less talent and depth at dl. Brilliant analysis. Had nothing to do with poor coaching and a miserable d backfield, did it. Of course Joseph ayres starting at dt is better than couch and McCullers. Give me more knowledge about how the depth and talent in the trenches was better then than now.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
And you think that's because we have less talent and depth at dl. Brilliant analysis. Had nothing to do with poor coaching and a miserable d backfield, did it. Of course Joseph ayres starting at dt is better than couch and McCullers. Give me more knowledge about how the depth and talent in the trenches was better then than now.
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We have quality depth on defense?
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