VN Article: Tennessee Two-fer Tuesday

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NeylandArmy said:
I like how when someone doesn't agree with you on this board that they are automatically a Koolaid drinker.....
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I like how it's illegal to say anything negative about the direction I see UT football heading.... we're going backwards, not forward.

We fired Fulmer because the talent level had dropped off and we were no longer going to be competitive with Florida and Alabama.

"You can't take a mule to the Kentucky Derby" - Coach Pat Summit (8 national championships)
 
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TNfaninMS said:
In case y'all didn't know Dooley is the father that left Bam many years ago and never came back... That MUST be why he is hating on this staff so badly.
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No, God just gave me the ability to form an opinion. Some people just ride an opinion wave as long as they see other people out in front.

If someone can honestly tell me this staff is recruiting as well as the last staff did (they will go nameless), I will kindly submit that person's name to a nearby mental institution.

That is my entire point. We've taken a step back. How is that being misunderstood? Simple minds, I guess.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Tennessee has reverted back to the Fulmer years.

Not impressed at all with this staff's recruiting efforts so far (sans Da'Rick Rogers -- who only committed because we offered Nance). They took a bunch of roster-fillers on NSD and have started off doing the same so far in this class.

We will not be more than an 8-4 team recruiting players like this in the SEC. If we cover them up with more talented players and they are providing depth, fine. *But I have not seen this staff get anyone I've felt was All-SEC caliber (again, sans Rogers with the * being that it was a combo deal).

Now.... I PREDICT posts to follow filled with Orange Koolaid drinkers.
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I disagree with your statement about roster-fillers. Tyler Bray, Neal, Da'Rick Rogers, Justin Hunter, JuWuan James, James Stone, Corey Miller, and Jacques Smith are the complete opposite of roster fillers. I believe all of them will see playing time this year and have a very good possibiliity to start the next year. 6 out of those 8 were in the ESPN150 (and I know your probably not a fan). Not to mention I believe Matt Milton, Ted Meline, Edrick Lofton, and even Channing Fuggate to be contributors early. A top 10 class is not filled with "roster-fillers". Your just wrong. And how could anybody forget the freshmen who might be our biggest earlier contributor Michael Palardy.

Just realized you were talking about the current staff's recruits. Which makes my last post irrelevant. My bad.
 
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flowd82 said:
I disagree with your statement about roster-fillers. Tyler Bray, Neal, Da'Rick Rogers, Justin Hunter, JuWuan James, James Stone, Corey Miller, and Jacques Smith are the complete opposite of roster fillers. I believe all of them will see playing time this year and have a very good possibiliity to start the next year. 6 out of those 8 were in the ESPN150 (and I know your probably not a fan). Not to mention I believe Matt Milton, Ted Meline, Edrick Lofton, and even Channing Fuggate to be contributors early. A top 10 class is not filled with "roster-fillers". Your just wrong. And how could anybody forget the freshmen who might be our biggest earlier contributor Michael Palardy.

Just realized you were talking about the current staff's recruits. Which makes my last post irrelevant. My bad.
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:huh:
 
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It's cool.

If you want to see my point, go to Scout.com and look at every commit we've had since 1/24/10. Besides Rogers we did not get a single player with superstar potential. I'm giving the staff credit for Stone and Neal, who could be solid players. Otherwise every commit the CURRENT staff has locked down, I have not been overly impressed with to say the very least.

Players like Hunter and Loften were already leaning to coming to UT. I know Dooley had a tough situation to close with when he took over weeks before NSD, which is why I've saved all this until now. I wanted to give him the BOD. Five commitments into 2011's signing class and I'm still left unimpressed.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
It's cool.

If you want to see my point, go to Scout.com and look at every commit we've had since 1/24/10. Besides Rogers we did not get a single player with superstar potential. I'm giving the staff credit for Stone and Neal, who could be solid players. Otherwise every commit the CURRENT staff has locked down, I have not been overly impressed with to say the very least.

Players like Hunter and Loften were already leaning to coming to UT. I know Dooley had a tough situation to close with when he took over weeks before NSD, which is why I've saved all this until now. I wanted to give him the BOD. Five commitments into 2011's signing class and I'm still left unimpressed.
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Please Gtfo.....you obviously don't know what your talking about.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
It's cool.

If you want to see my point, go to Scout.com and look at every commit we've had since 1/24/10. Besides Rogers we did not get a single player with superstar potential. I'm giving the staff credit for Stone and Neal, who could be solid players. Otherwise every commit the CURRENT staff has locked down, I have not been overly impressed with to say the very least.

Players like Hunter and Loften were already leaning to coming to UT. I know Dooley had a tough situation to close with when he took over weeks before NSD, which is why I've saved all this until now. I wanted to give him the BOD. Five commitments into 2011's signing class and I'm still left unimpressed.
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Because after that date there were a lot of superstar caliber players with interest in UT just laying around waiting right? Thing is Dooley came in and had to hold together what could have easily been a disaster. The fact that he got ANY decent commits in the process is a slight miracle Give the man credit where it is due.. No he does not have us ranked high in recruiting classes as of now.. neither did the other guy last year.

The thing about opinions is that some are based on fact and some are based on a severe lack of or a severe misunderstanding of information. Your opinions seem to fall into one of these categories.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Tennessee has reverted back to the Fulmer years.

Not impressed at all with this staff's recruiting efforts so far (sans Da'Rick Rogers -- who only committed because we offered Nance). They took a bunch of roster-fillers on NSD and have started off doing the same so far in this class.

We will not be more than an 8-4 team recruiting players like this in the SEC. If we cover them up with more talented players and they are providing depth, fine. *But I have not seen this staff get anyone I've felt was All-SEC caliber (again, sans Rogers with the * being that it was a combo deal).

Now.... I PREDICT posts to follow filled with Orange Koolaid drinkers.
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You're exactly the same as the Orange Koolaid drinkers...you're just on the other end of the spectrum
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Tennessee has reverted back to the Fulmer years.

Not impressed at all with this staff's recruiting efforts so far (sans Da'Rick Rogers -- who only committed because we offered Nance). They took a bunch of roster-fillers on NSD and have started off doing the same so far in this class.

We will not be more than an 8-4 team recruiting players like this in the SEC. If we cover them up with more talented players and they are providing depth, fine. *But I have not seen this staff get anyone I've felt was All-SEC caliber (again, sans Rogers with the * being that it was a combo deal).

Now.... I PREDICT posts to follow filled with Orange Koolaid drinkers.
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Neal, Hunter (despite what you say he wasn't coming here before Dooley), Stone, Clark, Loften, Rogers...not to mention the re-recruitment of John Brown and high 3* players Fulton, Pair and Dixon...

That's 1 five star, 5 four stars and 3 high three stars...all chalked up to Dooley and his staff despite your desire to spin it otherwise....

Again....you're exactly the same as the Orange Koolaid drinkers...you're just on the other end of the spectrum
 
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haha "re-recruitment".... you're funny.

I also like how you selectively choose UT commits as high 3* players. They were just 3* players, stop it.

John Brown's best option was UT, he knew it.
 
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AirVol3 said:
Please Gtfo.....you obviously don't know what your talking about.
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Dude, you're the worst poster on this entire site.

Aren't you the one who posts things like 8 months after they happen claiming you have new news? I remember you posting something about a h.s. kid breaking the all-time scoring record in TN b-ball and I had to put you in your place on that one too, right? Now I see why you don't like me.

Also, just FYI, simply saying someone doesn't know what they're talking about and not trying to prove them wrong with facts doesn't really give you a leg to stand on. But it's par for the course for every single post I've read coming from you...sooooo.....
 
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thunder5 said:
You're exactly the same as the Orange Koolaid drinkers...you're just on the other end of the spectrum
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Not really. I'm only temporarily upset with recruiting. Hopefully they'll turn it around and prove me wrong. Orange Koolaid drinkers can't be and don't want to be proven wrong. Everything's always gum drop smiles and "glass half full". I'd LOVE for Dooley to prove me wrong. Absolutely 100% love it.

If you don't agree with me, just ignore me. It really won't bother me at all. Contrary to popular belief, alot of people agree with me. I know 4 people on here personally, all of whom think our recruiting has been sub-par if we are to compete in the SEC. Roster-fillers are just going to prolong the process. I'm only telling you the truth. You cannot recruit a class FULL of 3* players like USCe and Kentucky and expect different outcomes than what they get. Scouts know what they're talking about. Some 3* end up being better than expected, some 5* bust. It's not a science, but it's pretty accurate. If you look at all the superstars in college football, the majority were big names coming out of H.S. If you don't believe in scouting at all, you shouldn't follow recruiting. Rankings and ratings seem to only matter around here when we have it.

I mean, my avatar is Rajion Neal. I'm not a 5* only kind of guy. I just want our overall talent level to increase, which was what got Fulmer fired. If it doesn't, Dooley won't last long and that is plain, simple fact. Not sure what there is to argue.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
haha "re-recruitment".... you're funny.

I also like how you selectively choose UT commits as high 3* players. They were just 3* players, stop it.

John Brown's best option was UT, he knew it.
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I like how you ignore the fact that John Brown did indeed have to be re-recruited by this staff...that despite what you say he publicly stated he was close to decommitting before Dooley and Thompson changed his mind (i.e re-recruited him)...

And if there's no difference between a 5.7 three star and a 5.5 three star then why does Rivals bother making that distinction?

Again...you're clearly going to see nothing but negative in this situation...which makes you exactly like the Koolaid drinkers...just on the other side of it
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Not really. I'm only temporarily upset with recruiting. Hopefully they'll turn it around and prove me wrong. Orange Koolaid drinkers can't and don't want to be proven wrong. I'd LOVE for Dooley to prove me wrong. Absolutely 100% love it.
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At this point there's as much reason to be optimistic as pessimistic...the only logical approach to the situation is "wait and see"

To align ones view to either end of the spectrum is unreasonable...to pretend we have hard evidence of impending failure is the equal and opposite version of "drinking the Koolaid"

And claiming you want to be proven wrong while spinning any bit of information you get in a negative light is not a valid counter to my claim that you're the equivilant of a Koolaid drinker
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Not really. I'm only temporarily upset with recruiting. Hopefully they'll turn it around and prove me wrong. Orange Koolaid drinkers can't be and don't want to be proven wrong. Everything's always gum drop smiles and "glass half full". I'd LOVE for Dooley to prove me wrong. Absolutely 100% love it.

If you don't agree with me, just ignore me. It really won't bother me at all. Contrary to popular belief, alot of people agree with me. I know 4 people on here personally, all of whom think our recruiting has been sub-par if we are to compete in the SEC. Roster-fillers are just going to prolong the process. I'm only telling you the truth. You cannot recruit 3* players like USCe and Kentucky and expect different outcomes than what they get. It's simple fact.
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Just saw that you added this nugget....what a freakin' cop out...

We can disagree and it's no big deal...and for the record if I don't see some "bigger fish" being landed soon I'm going to start being more pessimistic myself...

At this point I'm comfortable with who Dooley is landing/has landed...this class and last...I'm taking the "wait and see" with where we go from here...the only logical approach at this point
 
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I'm glad to see us picking up some quality recruits from the south. I really think that most highly rated players are waiting to see how we play next year before making a commitment to a university that has had some questionable years over the past 3 years or so. If we come out next year and play hard I think we won't have much trouble picking up some more highly rated prospects. But, I just don't think that many 4 or 5 star players are looking to make commitments right now unless it is to schools like Florida, Bama and Texas....schools that have proven themselves over the past few years and also ones that recruits can see what type of systems to expect when they play there. I think CDD is doing a great job of getting players on board considering he is unproven in the SEC at this point.
 
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MrBamSeydu said:
Not really. I'm only temporarily upset with recruiting. Hopefully they'll turn it around and prove me wrong. Orange Koolaid drinkers can't be and don't want to be proven wrong. Everything's always gum drop smiles and "glass half full". I'd LOVE for Dooley to prove me wrong. Absolutely 100% love it.

If you don't agree with me, just ignore me. It really won't bother me at all. Contrary to popular belief, alot of people agree with me. I know 4 people on here personally, all of whom think our recruiting has been sub-par if we are to compete in the SEC. Roster-fillers are just going to prolong the process. I'm only telling you the truth. You cannot recruit a class FULL of 3* players like USCe and Kentucky and expect different outcomes than what they get. Scouts know what they're talking about. Some 3* end up being better than expected, some 5* bust. It's not a science, but it's pretty accurate. If you look at all the superstars in college football, the majority were big names coming out of H.S. If you don't believe in scouting at all, you shouldn't follow recruiting. Rankings and ratings seem to only matter around here when we have it.

I mean, my avatar is Rajion Neal. I'm not a 5* only kind of guy. I just want our overall talent level to increase, which was what got Fulmer fired. If it doesn't, Dooley won't last long and that is plain, simple fact. Not sure what there is to argue.
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You keep adding stuff to this post for me to respond to :)

We're in aggrement...it seems the only thing we're disagreeing about right now is whether or not it's time to panic
 
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thunder5 said:
I like how you ignore the fact that John Brown did indeed have to be re-recruited by this staff...that despite what you say he publicly stated he was close to decommitting before Dooley and Thompson changed his mind (i.e re-recruited him)...

And if there's no difference between a 5.7 three star and a 5.5 three star then why does Rivals bother making that distinction?

Again...you're clearly going to see nothing but negative in this situation...which makes you exactly like the Koolaid drinkers...just on the other side of it
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John Brown was never seriously going to change schools. Of course he thought about it. We lost just about our entire coaching staff, who wouldn't. Re-recruiting players is just mending bridges. Yes, it exists. But it's more about getting them to trust you than getting them to like your school. They've committed to the school already for a reason.

As for 5.5 or 5.7 3*.... that's just something for people like you to follow.

I just choose a 3-level rating system: low level, mid level, high level prospect.

As much as people say you can't believe in star ratings, I disagree with them. However, I do not agree that you can accurately rate someone down to a tenth of a point. So no, I do not believe in a "level" of someone's star rating.
 
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No panic here. Just trying to be a voice of reason. May come off as negative but, again, I am a UT fan until the day I die. The difference between me and other people is that I'd love to be proven wrong. But unfortunately, to this point in time, I am correct.
 
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