Vol uniform/helmet design discussion (merged)

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DeerPark12 said:
So you're saying that this:
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is a closer match than this????:
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Looks like ours matches almost exactly. Not so much for Alabama. But, whatever.
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So one photo is supposed to prove something? It also appears that Bray's photo has been touched up a bit, as the T on the helmet typically looks more like the color of his glove than the color of the jersey.
 
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To respond to the rumor that started this whole thread disaster coming back to life, many people believe that Hart will move us to Nike because his previous schools were Nike schools. But it's not so simple as snapping his fingers and making a change.

1. We are about to begin the third year of a five-year contract extension with Adidas. Any decision is two years away, any change would be three years away, so arguing about it now is rather pointless.

2. Nike's previous contract offers, even when Tennessee was at the height of its football success, have been millions of dollars less than what Adidas has signed us for. Since it's a state contract, Hart can't arbitrarily take a contract that is a million dollars less per year for the school just because he wants to. Any deal, once selected by the UTAD, will have to be approved by several people with the state, as well at UT Purchasing. They actually held up a previous contract extension with Adidas over a fairly minor detail.

3. Our current contract with Adidas pays Tennessee more in cash, coaching salary contributions, and equipment than all but two Nike contracts with schools. I would seriously doubt that Nike would make an offer to make Tennessee one of its top-3 schools financially. Finally, Adidas' current contract with UT (and most other schools) allows them to match any financial offer made by any other company. They have never had to use that clause with a major school.

It would pretty much take an effort by Adidas to drop Tennessee, rather than us drop them, the way the contracts are written. It certainly could happen, plenty could change in three years, but I don't see it happening.
 
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bamawriter said:
So one photo is supposed to prove something? It also appears that Bray's photo has been touched up a bit, as the T on the helmet typically looks more like the color of his glove than the color of the jersey.
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One photo showed that you made a broad and completely baseless statement.

I didn't touch up anything, those were pulled directly from media sites, check the links.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
One photo showed that you made a broad and completely baseless statement.

I didn't touch up anything, those were pulled directly from media sites, check the links.
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I didn't say you touched it up.

And several posters (dare I say a majority of the posters in this insanely long thread) agree that UT's jerseys don't match the helmet.
 
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bamawriter said:
Probably. It may be because of the color, but I can't think of many teams whose jerseys match their helmets and pants stripes as poorly as Tennessee's.
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Well, your team's for one. Bama's helmets are always noticeably darker than the uniforms. It's been that way for as long as I care to remember...
 
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DeerPark12 said:
So you're saying that this:
large_Javy%20AP%20ALcom.jpg


is a closer match than this????:
ten_tyler_bray_111911.jpg


Looks like ours matches almost exactly. Not so much for Alabama. But, whatever.
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That orange looks like a washed out yellow color. Yes, the helmet T matches quite well to the jersey color, but they both look off. And the flat finish in the tech fit doesn't help matters imo. Our jerseys need to have a slight sheen to them like they used to.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Well, your team's for one. Bama's helmets are always noticeably darker than the uniforms. It's been that way for as long as I care to remember...
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Most team's helments don't match their jersey 100%. Matching paint and dye is a tricky business.

But I strongly disagree that the difference is greater than Tennessee's. That's not a knock on Tennessee, it's a knock on Adidas. There was a time when Tennessee's were pretty much spot on.
 
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I doesn't really matter all that much to me. I can think of a few teams off the top of my head that don't have matching helmet/logo to their jerseys. Bama's helmets always look darker than their jersey's, Texas and Wisconsin both have darker helmet logos then their jerseys.
 
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bamawriter said:
Most team's helments don't match their jersey 100%. Matching paint and dye is a tricky business.

But I strongly disagree that the difference is greater than Tennessee's. That's not a knock on Tennessee, it's a knock on Adidas. There was a time when Tennessee's were pretty much spot on.
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Matching it isn't really hard at all. In fact, laid out next to each other under the same light at the same angles, the Tennessee helmet decal and jersey match perfectly. I would imagine that Alabama's does as well.

But football obviously isn't played under those lighting conditions, so it appears different, even when it's actually the same.

Last year, there was a big deal made about the numbers on the away jersey being too dark and Dooley sending them back before the season started. What most people (including Dooley) didn't get was that Adidas intentionally made them a shade darker because the material they are made out of shines. When the jerseys with the "correct" color numbers came in, the numbers looked yellow under the lights.
 
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VFL 24/7 said:
That orange looks almost yellow.... get a better picture buddy...
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The orange for the jerseys was re-colormatched by Adidas to our "official" Pantone color two years ago. It had gotten darker over the years as various companies manufactured the jerseys. What you see now is the actual color that it was intended to be all along. That is our "official" orange, PMS151, and it isn't getting darker, no matter what company makes the jerseys.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Matching it isn't really hard at all. In fact, laid out next to each other under the same light at the same angles, the Tennessee helmet decal and jersey match perfectly. I would imagine that Alabama's does as well.

But football obviously isn't played under those lighting conditions, so it appears different, even when it's actually the same.
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Actually, the bigger issue is that paint on a helmet doesn't tend to change colors over the course of a game. The color on a jersey starts to change as soon as a players starts to sweat. Bama's jerseys look much more like the helmet at the end of a game than they do at the beginning.
 
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Deerpark, hypothetical for you? If NIKE offered the same deal to us as Adidas, I mean exactly the same deal. Which would you prefer we go with?
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Deerpark, hypothetical for you? If NIKE offered the same deal to us as Adidas, I mean exactly the same deal. Which would you prefer we go with?
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Same deal, down to the letter? I'd stay with the company that had us as one of a select few, rather than one of many. The company that has consistently offered us more over the years and has been a valued partner for almost 15 years.
 
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bamawriter said:
Actually, the bigger issue is that paint on a helmet doesn't tend to change colors over the course of a game. The color on a jersey starts to change as soon as a players starts to sweat. Bama's jerseys look much more like the helmet at the end of a game than they do at the beginning.
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Well, you're mistaken on a couple of issues here. First, in Tennessee's case, it's not paint, they're decals.

Second point, the TechFits don't change color with sweat, that's actually one of the pieces of technology that Adidas was particularly proud of. The TechFits also use the same material all over the jersey.

Nike uses three different fabrics on their current model of jersey, all of them change color with moisture, and all of them have varying shades of darkness. I don't see how that's better.
 
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Bob Mueller said:
Has the color of our jersey's changed from 3 years ago?
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Yes. When they went to the TechFit jerseys in mid-2010, they were colormatched to the actual Pantone 151, not just to previous years' jerseys. They were also adjusted slightly last year to account for the lighter appearance of the matte finish on the TechFit fabric.

Also, the shiny finish of that jersey is reflecting light, while the matte of the shoe is not. Bet it even looks closer to that jersey in person than in the bad cell phone flash picture.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Yes. When they went to the TechFit jerseys in mid-2010, they were colormatched to the actual Pantone 151, not just to previous years' jerseys. They were also adjusted slightly last year to account for the lighter appearance of the matte finish on the TechFit fabric.

Also, the shiny finish of that jersey is reflecting light, while the matte of the shoe is not. Bet it even looks closer to that jersey in person than in the bad cell phone flash picture.
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Good deal. What was the thinking behind adding the silver to the cleats? Also is this the Eric Berry model?
 
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Bob Mueller said:
Good deal. What was the thinking behind adding the silver to the cleats? Also is this the Eric Berry model?
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There's also silver on the ones that Nebraska has, per tweets from their equipment guys. Basically, there's a place for two colors, and we went with silver instead of black so they wouldn't stand out as much from the other models that only have orange and white.

I'm not sure if that's the Berry model, the team has four different cleats that the players can choose from, one is the new EB.
 
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