Vol uniform/helmet design discussion (merged)

[VolsSportsFan]

It's funny how these "non-traditionalist" are kicking butt all of the sudden. Oregon sucked, became a spectacle with their uniform changes and now are a top 5 program. Kids like the flashy uniforms. It generates interest and income with jersey sales. I can't see a problem.

Besides Oregon, who else is "kicking butt"? When I look at who wins the NC every year, every year is a team with a traditional look.

 

[volatil]

Besides Oregon, who else is "kicking butt"? When I look at who wins the NC every year, every year is a team with a traditional look.

LOL, that's because bama wins every year

 

[bleedorange0037]

Besides Oregon, who else is "kicking butt"? When I look at who wins the NC every year, every year is a team with a traditional look.

Exactly. I'm almost 30 and aside from UF, who occasionally wears that hideous Pro Combat bull****, you have to go back to Miami in 2001 to find a team who won a NC that has done a major uniform overhaul in my lifetime. Clearly newfangled uniforms and NC's have no correlation.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Exactly. I'm almost 30 and aside from UF, who occasionally wears that hideous Pro Combat bull****, you have to go back to Miami in 2001 to find a team who won a NC that has done a major uniform overhaul in my lifetime. Clearly newfangled uniforms and NC's have no correlation.

thats 2 out of 8 teams who have won a NC since 01.

thats 1/4 of the teams.

not bad odds imo

and most people arent looking for "an overhaul", they are talking about having an alt jersey for 1 or 2 games a year

 

[bleedorange0037]

thats 2 out of 8 teams who have won a NC since 01.

thats 1/4 of the teams.

not bad odds imo

and most people arent looking for "an overhaul", they are talking about having an alt jersey for 1 or 2 games a year

I like 3/4 better and at the same time not having to embarrass ourselves with some flavor of the month uniform.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

I like 3/4 better and at the same time not having to embarrass ourselves with some flavor of the month uniform.

so its embarrassing to wear a color that our team used for almost a decade?

 

[rocktopper16]

Our tradition came from a college kid looking at dandelions. Now our tradition is evolving on volnation. I'm all for alty unis. If the players want them let em have em. Hell, They're the ones playing on the field and getting the university money.

 

[ansleyr815]

The only tradition that we have established in recent years is losing. We need to use everything at our disposal to add life back into our football program. Majors is gone, Fulmer is gone. This team and coach should be free to create their own identity.

I am a huge Denver Broncos fan. In 1997, we had been to 5 Superbowls in 20 years. That is 1 in every 4 Superbowls. You wanna talk "tradition"?... The Broncos had established a tradition... and had a Hall of Fame QB in John Elway. Their uniforms and logo were iconic. "The Drive"... "The Fumble"... "The Three Amigos"..."The Orange Crush"... "Mile High Stadium".

The problem? This great iconic franchise was 0-5 in their Superbowl appearances. While their tradition was built on winning AFC Championships... the Broncos had became synonomous with "Losing".

In 1997, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen bucked the conservative status quo, and angered many Broncos "traditionalists" by switching to a new uniform and helmet. The uniform was considered "radical" at the time. Bowlen even went as far as making the home jersey blue, which completely negated the iconic "Orange Crush" tradition.

But he believed in creating a new tradition and identity. Sometimes, something like a new uniform design can change the mindset of an entire organization.

The first year wearing the new uniforms... The Broncos went on the win their first Superbowl against the Packers in 1997. They continued by repeating as Superbowl champs against Atlanta in 1998. John Elway retired as a 2-time defending champion.

Did the uniforms win those superbowls? Of course not... but you will never convince me that they didn't play a big part in shaking off the past.

The "radical" uniform design became the most copied design by colleges and high schools the following 15 years.

In 2012, The Broncos returned to orange as their primary home jersey color while retaining the new uniform design...proving that a football program can still honor tradition, while creating new identities along the way.

 

[butchna]

The only tradition that we have established in recent years is losing. We need to use everything at our disposal to add life back into our football program. Majors is gone, Fulmer is gone. This team and coach should be free to create their own identity.

I am a huge Denver Broncos fan. In 1997, we had been to 5 Superbowls in 20 years. That is 1 in every 4 Superbowls. You wanna talk "tradition"?... The Broncos had established a tradition... and had a Hall of Fame QB in John Elway. Their uniforms and logo were iconic. "The Drive"... "The Fumble"... "The Three Amigos"..."The Orange Crush"... "Mile High Stadium".

The problem? This great iconic franchise was 0-5 in their Superbowl appearances. While their tradition was built on winning AFC Championships... the Broncos had became synonomous with "Losing".

In 1997, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen bucked the conservative status quo, and angered many Broncos "traditionalists" by switching to a new uniform and helmet. The uniform was considered "radical" at the time. Bowlen even went as far as making the home jersey blue, which completely negated the iconic "Orange Crush" tradition.

But he believed in creating a new tradition and identity. Sometimes, something like a new uniform design can change the mindset of an entire organization.

The first year wearing the new uniforms... The Broncos went on the win their first Superbowl against the Packers in 1997. They continued by repeating as Superbowl champs against Atlanta in 1998. John Elway retired as a 2-time defending champion.

Did the uniforms win those superbowls? Of course not... but you will never convince me that they didn't play a big part in shaking off the past.

The "radical" uniform design became the most copied design by colleges and high schools the following 15 years.

In 2012, The Broncos returned to orange as their primary home jersey color while retaining the new uniform design...proving that a football program can still honor tradition, while creating new identities along the way.

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[BaldBiker]

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This book had pictures. I didn't read it.

 

[SkidsisVFL]

Has anyone made a point that uk has a checkerboard print w that whole horse racing thing they do? Why r we so stuck on the checkerboard? Isn't that something that Doug Dickey brought when he took over??? Correct me if I am wrong.... Our end zones look great but why do we have to keep throwing that design out???

The checkerboards originally came from Ayers Hall (checkerboard pattern is underneath the clock on the tower). When Neyland was here, whenever a player messed up, the General would tell them to "run to the checkers" so they would go from Shields-Watkins field, up The Hill to Ayers Hall, and back. When Dickey heard these stories, he got the idea that they could run "to the checkers" as a reward (scoring) and got them put in the endzones.

 

[crusse10]

It's funny how these "non-traditionalist" are kicking butt all of the sudden. Oregon sucked, became a spectacle with their uniform changes and now are a top 5 program. Kids like the flashy uniforms. It generates interest and income with jersey sales. I can't see a problem.

Does any of that money go to Tennessee if it's purchased anywhere but the UT bookstore or other on-campus locations? I highly doubt that.

Only reason it benefits Oregon so much is because it's circular, Nike makes special for Oregon because of Knight, Oregon does well because of Chip Kelly's offense (not uniforms), people buy jerseys because the team is doing well, money goes to Nike, and the circle keeps on a'goin'.

 

[volatil]

Funky uniforms were incorporated under Belloti

 

[crusse10]

Funky uniforms were incorporated under Belloti

You can wear crazy ugly uniforms and have nobody buy them if you're doing badly. It's because of Chip Kelly's offense that their stuff is in demand. That was in effect for 2 years while Bellotti was head coach.

 

[DeerPark12]

The checkerboards originally came from Ayers Hall (checkerboard pattern is underneath the clock on the tower). When Neyland was here, whenever a player messed up, the General would tell them to "run to the checkers" so they would go from Shields-Watkins field, up The Hill to Ayers Hall, and back. When Dickey heard these stories, he got the idea that they could run "to the checkers" as a reward (scoring) and got them put in the endzones.

Where did you get that story? Gus Manning and others have said there was no connection between the two. I'd love to verify that, because that would be a great story to push.

 

[Cpatter4]

The only tradition that we have established in recent years is losing. We need to use everything at our disposal to add life back into our football program. Majors is gone, Fulmer is gone. This team and coach should be free to create their own identity.

I am a huge Denver Broncos fan. In 1997, we had been to 5 Superbowls in 20 years. That is 1 in every 4 Superbowls. You wanna talk "tradition"?... The Broncos had established a tradition... and had a Hall of Fame QB in John Elway. Their uniforms and logo were iconic. "The Drive"... "The Fumble"... "The Three Amigos"..."The Orange Crush"... "Mile High Stadium".

The problem? This great iconic franchise was 0-5 in their Superbowl appearances. While their tradition was built on winning AFC Championships... the Broncos had became synonomous with "Losing".

In 1997, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen bucked the conservative status quo, and angered many Broncos "traditionalists" by switching to a new uniform and helmet. The uniform was considered "radical" at the time. Bowlen even went as far as making the home jersey blue, which completely negated the iconic "Orange Crush" tradition.

But he believed in creating a new tradition and identity. Sometimes, something like a new uniform design can change the mindset of an entire organization.

The first year wearing the new uniforms... The Broncos went on the win their first Superbowl against the Packers in 1997. They continued by repeating as Superbowl champs against Atlanta in 1998. John Elway retired as a 2-time defending champion.

Did the uniforms win those superbowls? Of course not... but you will never convince me that they didn't play a big part in shaking off the past.

The "radical" uniform design became the most copied design by colleges and high schools the following 15 years.

In 2012, The Broncos returned to orange as their primary home jersey color while retaining the new uniform design...proving that a football program can still honor tradition, while creating new identities along the way.

Well said!

 

[Cpatter4]

The only tradition that we have established in recent years is losing. We need to use everything at our disposal to add life back into our football program. Majors is gone, Fulmer is gone. This team and coach should be free to create their own identity.

I am a huge Denver Broncos fan. In 1997, we had been to 5 Superbowls in 20 years. That is 1 in every 4 Superbowls. You wanna talk "tradition"?... The Broncos had established a tradition... and had a Hall of Fame QB in John Elway. Their uniforms and logo were iconic. "The Drive"... "The Fumble"... "The Three Amigos"..."The Orange Crush"... "Mile High Stadium".

The problem? This great iconic franchise was 0-5 in their Superbowl appearances. While their tradition was built on winning AFC Championships... the Broncos had became synonomous with "Losing".

In 1997, Broncos owner Pat Bowlen bucked the conservative status quo, and angered many Broncos "traditionalists" by switching to a new uniform and helmet. The uniform was considered "radical" at the time. Bowlen even went as far as making the home jersey blue, which completely negated the iconic "Orange Crush" tradition.

But he believed in creating a new tradition and identity. Sometimes, something like a new uniform design can change the mindset of an entire organization.

The first year wearing the new uniforms... The Broncos went on the win their first Superbowl against the Packers in 1997. They continued by repeating as Superbowl champs against Atlanta in 1998. John Elway retired as a 2-time defending champion.

Did the uniforms win those superbowls? Of course not... but you will never convince me that they didn't play a big part in shaking off the past.

The "radical" uniform design became the most copied design by colleges and high schools the following 15 years.

In 2012, The Broncos returned to orange as their primary home jersey color while retaining the new uniform design...proving that a football program can still honor tradition, while creating new identities along the way.

I'm all for angering some Tennessee "traditionalists"

 

[SkidsisVFL]

Where did you get that story? Gus Manning and others have said there was no connection between the two. I'd love to verify that, because that would be a great story to push.

Pretty sure that one was told during freshman orientation. I have heard it several times from several people since.

 

[SkidsisVFL]

So obviously that's only hearsay and could've been misinterpreted, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Tampa Bay broke out of their funk, immediately following major uniform/color scheme changes as well. It does seem to provide a bit of a morale boost. I bet Cleveland would benefit from a decent change...stepping out of the 1940's and into the 21st century. But no...they'll keep their stodgy look...along the dismal record that goes with it. But, but , but....what about tradition? Kick it to the curb, if it's a losing one. And send Deerpark along with it.

 

[DeerPark12]

Tampa Bay broke out of their funk, immediately following major uniform/color scheme changes as well. It does seem to provide a bit of a morale boost. I bet Cleveland would benefit from a decent change...stepping out of the 1940's and into the 21st century. But no...they'll keep their stodgy look...along the dismal record that goes with it. But, but , but....what about tradition? Kick it to the curb, if it's a losing one. And send Deerpark along with it.

How did I get drug into this?

 

[ansleyr815]

Tampa Bay broke out of their funk, immediately following major uniform/color scheme changes as well. It does seem to provide a bit of a morale boost. I bet Cleveland would benefit from a decent change...stepping out of the 1940's and into the 21st century. But no...they'll keep their stodgy look...along the dismal record that goes with it. But, but , but....what about tradition? Kick it to the curb, if it's a losing one. And send Deerpark along with it.

Lol. A little follow-up to my post on the Broncos:

I love tradition at the Univ. of Tennessee. I really do. But too many people , for far too long...have claimed far too many things as "Tradition".

So what should actually fall under the label of "tradition"...and therfore never be messed with?

1. Orange as our primary color. This is a no-brainer. We are the "Big Orange"! But we can clearly define Orange as our primary color...while occasionally wearing a Black, Grey, or White alternate jersey heavily trimmed in Orange.

2. Smokey. Enough said.

3. Checkerboard endzones. While these have not been around that long...they have quickly became a trademark that fans have adopted.

4. Power T. We should always have a Power T prominently displayed on our helmet. But this doesn't mean that we can't occasionally wear black or orange helmets...with a variety of textures.

5. Vol Walk. No-brainer.

6. Running through the Pride of the Southlands Power T.

I am sure that I am forgetting a couple of important ones... But in my opinion... Most other aspects of UT could be updated without fear of the Tradition Police.

 

[onevol74]

Lol. A little follow-up to my post on the Broncos:

I love tradition at the Univ. of Tennessee. I really do. But too many people , for far too long...have claimed far too many things as "Tradition".

So what should actually fall under the label of "tradition"...and therfore never be messed with?

1. Orange as our primary color. This is a no-brainer. We are the "Big Orange"! But we can clearly define Orange as our primary color...while occasionally wearing a Black, Grey, or White alternate jersey heavily trimmed in Orange.

2. Smokey. Enough said.

3. Checkerboard endzones. While these have not been around that long...they have quickly became a trademark that fans have adopted.

4. Power T. We should always have a Power T prominently displayed on our helmet. But this doesn't mean that we can't occasionaly wear black or orange helmets...with a variety of textures.

5. Vol Walk. No-brainer.

6. Running through the Pride of the Southlands Power T.

I am sure that I am forgetting a couple of important ones... But in my opinion... Most other aspects of UT could be updated without fear of the Tradition Police.

You are telling half of the story. Orange and White are the official school colors. Not just orange. I am ok with changing patterns, etc. But I think that other colors added to the UT uniform look horrible and cheap. Black jerseys plain suck. They were made for Vanderbilt, Oklahoma State, Oregon State. But UT has a specific color and market niche with Tennessee Orange and White. It looks great together and when you see that on TV there is no doubt who that team is. No other program has that advantage and we should keep it.

 

[ansleyr815]

You are telling half of the story. Orange and White are the official school colors. Not just orange. I am ok with changing patterns, etc. But I think that other colors added to the UT uniform look horrible and cheap. Black jerseys plain suck. They were made for Vanderbilt, Oklahoma State, Oregon State. But UT has a specific color and market niche with Tennessee Orange and White. It looks great together and when you see that on TV there is no doubt who that team is. No other program has that advantage and we should keep it.

The official UT website offers a different story:

Our Palette | The University of Tennessee, Knoxville

Our Palette

Orange stands front and center in our audiences’ perception of UT, making color a crucial component for our visual communications. UT Orange, as we call our specific shade of orange, requires a special set of colors to accent and support it. Primarily, White and Smokey should always be used to underscore the boldness of UT Orange, invoking a sense of the pairing of our institution’s vibrant momentum and respect for tradition.

As you can see, both White and Smokey can be used to accent and support Orange, in order to better underscore the boldness of UT Orange. UT Orange would appear more bold than ever when placed on top of a Smokey colored helmet or jersey. You see how we are fooled into thinking that these official colors don't officially exist?

Notice how the UT baseball team wears black alternate jerseys:

And when they aren't wearing black jerseys, they are wearing black hats:

We are one single university... right? One Athletics Program...right? Either we can wear only orange and white, or we can can also incorporate other colors...right? And please don't give the "Football is different" reason. This is simple, UT has several accent colors available to use in conjunction with Orange. They should use them to spice things up.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

ansleyr815 is killing it tonight and i have agreed with everything said