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Vol8188 said:
DeSantis calling for an investigation of this is dumb. I want Trump to lose the primary but he’s making it hard to vote for him
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DeSantis blew up any shot he had at the WH long ago and now he's just flapping in the wind.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Who do you see as the biggest threat to Trump (other than Trump) in the gop?
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Scott will make a move forward once the debates start. Haley, Christie and anyone else are trying to get cabinet positions at this point. Pence needs to pack it up and read the room.
 
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Majors said:
Scott will make a move forward once the debates start. Haley, Christie and anyone else are trying to get cabinet positions at this point. Pence needs to pack it up and read the room.
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I actually like Pence. His problem is the x% of crazies who think he should’ve overturned the election. I think he’s a very strong conservative who behaves like a president rather than a spoiled brat
 
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Vol8188 said:
I actually like Pence. His problem is the x% of crazies who think he should’ve overturned the election. I think he’s a very strong conservative who behaves like a president rather than a spoiled brat
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He doesn't behave like a spoiled brat, true. He's got a calm demeanor going for him. Otherwise he's an American Mullah Omar, so no thanks.
 
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RikidyBones said:
He has to because Florida pension has investment in budlight. It's no different than any other stakeholder suit.
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I don’t think he has to at all. I imagine all 50 states could make the same case with their pensions.

What exactly have they done worthy of a law suit? I’m not following
 
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Vol8188 said:
I don’t think he has to at all. I imagine all 50 states could make the same case with their pensions.

What exactly have they done worthy of a law suit? I’m not following
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Knowingly undermine the stakeholders and their profits. Same argument Twitter shareholders had when they had that whole issue with Elon buying it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s just nonsense. You believe they intended to lose money?
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I think they were negligent. I think they refused to do their basic due diligence at best and ignored the known results at worst.

"Imagine if all 50 states did that with their pensions" Ok. They aren't any different a stake holder than blackrock or various 401ks. States don't have a single share worth more than a single share elsewhere. They are a part of that too.

Maybe it takes a review to see if they KNEW it was going to lose money. If they knew then they are beholden to the holders. If they were just idiots, maybe not. Idk much about that litigation. I just don't find it outrageous.
 
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RikidyBones said:
I think they were negligent. I think they refused to do their due diligence at best and ignored the known results at worst.

"Imagine if all 50 states did that with their pensions" Ok. They aren't any different a stake holder than blackrock or various 401ks. States don't have a single share worth more than a single share elsewhere. They are a part of that too.
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You’re not going to be able to prove negligence. They tried something and it failed. The idea that the courts should get involved here is absurd.

I honestly don’t understand your entire second paragraph.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re not going to be able to prove negligence. They tried something and it failed. The idea that the courts should get involved here is absurd.

I honestly don’t understand your entire second paragraph.
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The courts get involved with it as a civil case. Not criminal. It's not ridiculous.

My second paragraph is stating that Florida pension stocks aren't worth any different than any other 401k. If the execs did not act in the best interest of them, the holders can civilly go after the company.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m not saying it’s criminal. And yes it’s very ridiculous. They have no case. Bud light wasn’t trying to lose money
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How do you know they didn't have data telling them this would happen but they did it for political reasons? There hasn't been much of an attempt at recovery.

He has a duty to speak in the best interest of the holders because it's the pension of the state he governs. It's honestly that simple.

Should state pensions be invested in stocks? That's a different discussion
 
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RikidyBones said:
How do you know they didn't have data telling them this would happen but they did it for political reasons? There hasn't been much of an attempt at recovery.

He has a duty to speak in the best interest of the holders because it's the pension of the state he governs. It's honestly that simple.

Should state pensions be invested in stocks? That's a different discussion
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So you have no evidence they did anything wrong but think there should be a lawsuit just in case?

Couldn’t we apply that logic to 100% of interactions ?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So you have no evidence they did anything wrong but think there should be a lawsuit just in case?

Couldn’t we apply that logic to 100% of interactions ?
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He's launching an inquiry. Not an actual suit, at this point. Should he never look into invested companies that might have breached fiduciary duty to the shareholders that consist of the people of Florida?
 
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RikidyBones said:
He's launching an inquiry. Not an actual suit, at this point. Should he never look into invested companies that might have breached fiduciary duty to the shareholders that consist of the people of Florida?
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When your definition of “might have breached” is “I have no evidence nor any reason to believe they breached anything”, then no, there should be no inquiry. You need a reason for an inquiry

If that was the level of suspicion required for the government to go after companies and/or politicians with right wing values, you’d 100% have a problem with this.

Try to have some actual values that you stick regardless of which party is involved
 
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