Vols #11 in Playoff as of 11/19

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valoisvol said:
If anyone thinks osu is going to blown out iu you need to think again. Iu has been preparing for this game for a long time because of their cake walk through the season. Plus osu isn’t really that good either imo.
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I agree with everything you said except “OSU isn’t really that good.” This is going to be a close game.
 
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FBtime said:
Being blown out (20+) by the only playoff quality team you played means that's likely what will happen if you are included in the field and the committee doesn't want that.
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Exactly. Its TCU all over again. Indiana just doesn't have the SOS or brand to throw its weight around in this conversation.
 
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Reality the SEC conference is paying the price for being a very competitive and undoubtedly the strongest conference.

As they have added teams, they have made sure, for the most part, that the teams added increased the competitiveness and level of play. Not just in football - but in other sports as well.

The SEC also reworked the schedules such that you have top tier matchups throughout the year. That coupled with the fact that upsets have always happened in the conference due to injuries and other things implies top teams will have losses.

Because this has led to many 2 loss teams - those that rank the teams have taken it upon themselves to now rank based on number of losses and completely ignore strength of schedule.

If at the end of all this - the SEC gets one team with a bye and all the other selected teams are made to travel (i.e. no on campus hosting of a game), the conference should rethink whether it wants to continue to participate in something that is weighted against them or push for change.
 
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It is the overinflated ranking of the B1G teams at the top that is the issue. They are ranked because they haven't played the schedules to allow the top teams to have more losses. It doesn't help that Michigan has tanked either.
 
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Jaxon_Vol2017 said:
OSU wins by two touchdowns. Beat absolutely nobody. Ohio State should have beat Oregon.
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Ok, Oregon got a bad call on the interception in the first quarter, ---take away 7 from OSU
If Oregon makes both point afters --- add 2
If Oregon makes its very makeable field goal --- add 3
If Dillon fines the wide open Tez in the endzone on 4th and goal --- add 7

And all that makes the OPI and clock irrelivant

That's a 19 point swing. Point is Ohio State should not have beaten Oregon
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Exactly. Its TCU all over again. Indiana just doesn't have the SOS or brand to throw its weight around in this conversation.
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That’s true if we were just talking about Indiana as a stand alone entity. However they are Big 10 and I believe the fix is in that the Big 10 is getting 4 teams in the playoff come hell or high water. Especially with the head of the committee being an ex Michigan guy. There is just too much smoke about what’s going to happen if the Big 10 and SEC don’t get treated right in the playoff selections. And those four are going to be OH St, Oregon, Penn St and Indiana.

Assuming ND wins out, they are in. The Big 12, ACC and the Group of Five will get one each so that’s 8 slots taken. Right now, six SEC teams are vying for 4 slots. Outside the conference, we have to root for ND to lose to open up a 5th slot for the SEC. Inside the conference and assuming we win out, we have to root for A&M and Ole Miss to lose and get knocked out. That would leave Bama, Georgia, Texas and us as the remaining four. Now maybe OSU beats Indiana by 30 and it’s just too embarrassing to keep them in but I just don’t believe the Big 10 is getting less than 4 bids no matter what happens. I’ll believe it when I see it.
 
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Delmar said:
That’s true if we were just talking about Indiana as a stand alone entity. However they are Big 10 and I believe the fix is in that the Big 10 is getting 4 teams in the playoff come hell or high water. Especially with the head of the committee being an ex Michigan guy. There is just too much smoke about what’s going to happen if the Big 10 and SEC don’t get treated right in the playoff selections. And those four are going to be OH St, Oregon, Penn St and Indiana.

Assuming ND wins out, they are in. The Big 12, ACC and the Group of Five will get one each so that’s 8 slots taken. Right now, six SEC teams are vying for 4 slots. Outside the conference, we have to root for ND to lose to open up a 5th slot for the SEC. Inside the conference and assuming we win out, we have to root for A&M and Ole Miss to lose and get knocked out. That would leave Bama, Georgia, Texas and us as the remaining four. Now maybe OSU beats Indiana by 30 and it’s just too embarrassing to keep them in but I just don’t believe the Big 10 is getting less than 4 bids no matter what happens. I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Forgot to add Georgia Tech to beat Georgia as an opening but I’m not counting on that happening.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I disagree on this. We want Texas to beat A&M. Texas is solidly in regardless of a 2nd loss. A&M beating Texas not only gives them a quality win but will get to play in SEC title game which is low risk for them. If they lose they wont be penalized much at all for extra game and yet if they win it's 100% in which definitely steals a bid from the other at large contenders and we would be lowest.
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Also Texas winning helps our SoS/SoR more than A&M. Texas has 7 common opponents with UT A&M has 2. Texas being stronger increases the SoS and SoR of everyone they played. And they are pretty much in the Playoffs/SECCG unless they lose in SECCG. Indiana will drop out of top 12 when they lose to OSU their SoS is embarrassingly low. in the top 25 only army at 133/134 has a weaker schedule which is why Tulane is likely to win the American conference over them though Tulane has 1 loss (both are undefeated in conference). Notre Dame and SMU are also very vulnerable with sos in the 80's and Boise Stats in the 70's.

UT being 11 right now is not a big deal unless we lose a game. Making the SECCG is also gonna hurt whoever loses in it because they will be out also. So bare minimum 2 spots above UT open up in polls between this week and championship games. We win out we are likely in the 7-9 range in final poll worst case. With some luck we could end up 6. UT actually has the highest SoS of anyone not named Georgia or Alabama in the top 12 and by a large amount. Our SoR is 10th with at least one team ahead of us guaranteed to take an L this week. The UTEP game sucks in that way but as long as we boat-race them it won't matter much. I'll personally be cheering for Vandy to smack LSU Saturday and UTEP to beat NMstate next week. If Vandy beats LSU they would likely be top 25 when we play them giving us 5 top 25 opponents and 4 top 25 wins.

Final note: there will likely be only 1 undefeated team after this weekend. Oregon and they close out with their rival Washington. I feel like by playoffs there will be no undefeated teams left.
 
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#112
Handle our business, and worry about what we can control. I think if we worry about the 8-12 seeds that is going to be where we end up at. They're close enough for us to jump then. I don't see how even with 3 losses and the 3rd being in a conference championship game, you could argue to keep somebody ahead of Tennessee.
 
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