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#76
#76
I think anyone that has watched Springer should have known he likely wouldn't test in the elite category in agility/quickness drills, certainly not in Jordan Bone territory. Two very different type of athletes. Springer has very good court vision and can see plays developing like a PG, but he seems quite heavy-footed and not all that sudden. His moves to the basket and in transition seem elongated. His trump card is his physical strength and size, which Bone didn't have.
 
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#77
#77
bleedingTNorange said:
Was pretty average in the agility stuff…

31/55 lane agility
16/55 shuttle run
27/55 three quarter court sprint
6/55 standing vertical
6/55 max vertical

overall average would be 17/55
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now how heavily are those measurements used by scouts?

Perhaps it won’t hurt any more than Bones numbers helped is the hope I guess
 
#78
#78
BruinVol said:
now how heavily are those measurements used by scouts?

Perhaps it won’t hurt any more than Bones numbers helped is the hope I guess
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Well considering most mocks have bumped him up or kept him the same and the talk around the combine is he’s helped himself I definitely don’t think his numbers are going to cause him to continue to slide further and further.

His overall numbers weren’t elite, but testing athletically in the top 30% of his draft class while also being one of the youngest (if not the youngest) is going to be just fine in most people’s eyes. If his game was predicated and thought to be on elite athleticism it would be different, if anything I think Top 30% overall probably is better than expected.
 
#79
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well considering most mocks have bumped him up or kept him the same and the talk around the combine is he’s helped himself I definitely don’t think his numbers are going to cause him to continue to slide further and further.

His overall numbers weren’t elite, but testing athletically in the top 30% of his draft class while also being one of the youngest (if not the youngest) is going to be just fine in most people’s eyes. If his game was predicated and thought to be on elite athleticism it would be different, if anything I think Top 30% overall probably is better than expected.
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Where is he currently projected?
 
#81
#81
I don’t think he goes 12th, but seems like Top 25 is pretty likely…which would be around where he’s been projected for awhile.
 
#85
#85
bleedingTNorange said:
Was pretty average in the agility stuff…

31/55 lane agility
16/55 shuttle run
27/55 three quarter court sprint
6/55 standing vertical
6/55 max vertical

overall average would be 17/55
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All 3 of the UT guys performed best in the jumping measurements. Wonder if our S&C program does something different from other college programs to develop jumping?
 
#86
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BruinVol said:
Wasn’t he 10-12 mocked for by many during the season?
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Springer has been mocked outside of the lottery for a good while now. Probably since about halfway through the season. He was top 12 before the season started, which is really just guys projecting based on HS rankings.
 
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#90
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Vols8086 said:
Springer has been mocked outside of the lottery for a good while now. Probably since about halfway through the season. He was top 12 before the season started, which is really just guys projecting based on HS rankings.
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There are so many it’s hard to keep up and even more hard to know what’s reputable but I recall one late in the year having him at 11 or 12. Up until that point I thought he’d come back but that changed my mind seeing that
 
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BruinVol said:
There are so many it’s hard to keep up and even more hard to know what’s reputable but I recall one late in the year having him at 11 or 12. Up until that point I thought he’d come back but that changed my mind seeing that
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He had always planned to be 1 and done so I figured he was gone regardless.

He is a tweener and isn't viewed as having a high ceiling. He certainly has a wide range of outcomes. Some teams don't have a first round grade on him st all. I said earlier that he could really slide based on the teams picking in the 20s. Teams that view themselves as a piece away or contenders now will bypass Springer for a guy like Duarte from Oregon because he should be able to have a role immediately. Springer will take a few seasons (if he hits) similar to Anfernee Simons. Then even if he hits, whats the ceiling?
 
#94
#94
Most here are justifying his stock dropping a bit, but the upside to Springer is he's 18. You don't become more athletic over time, but the guy has a high basketball IQ, he's a good shooter and a good defender. IMO he's better equipped out of college than Josh Richardson and Josh is off to a great career in the NBA.

Definitely agree Springer will take a year or two to develop. He's going to show up to camps at 19 years old!
 
#95
#95
Volunteer08 said:
Most here are justifying his stock dropping a bit, but the upside to Springer is he's 18. You don't become more athletic over time, but the guy has a high basketball IQ, he's a good shooter and a good defender. IMO he's better equipped out of college than Josh Richardson and Josh is off to a great career in the NBA.

Definitely agree Springer will take a year or two to develop. He's going to show up to camps at 19 years old!
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The other thing in Springer’s favor is he’s a high character guy with a strong family support system. A franchise won’t have any concerns about off court issues derailing his career
 
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#96
Volunteer08 said:
Most here are justifying his stock dropping a bit, but the upside to Springer is he's 18. You don't become more athletic over time, but the guy has a high basketball IQ, he's a good shooter and a good defender. IMO he's better equipped out of college than Josh Richardson and Josh is off to a great career in the NBA.

Definitely agree Springer will take a year or two to develop. He's going to show up to camps at 19 years old!
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Some players certainly can. Brandon Roy, James Harden are a couple big time players that changed their bodies as they matured and showed more athleticism than they were pegged for in the draft process. No reason he can't improve too.

Have always thought there's several types of nba player but 2 big ones are, overly skilled but maxed out athleticism (Roy/Harden) , and insane level of athleticism but not overly skilled (Wiggins). The ones that mix those two well are the superstar potential type of players (Embiid). If they get the Basketball IQ to accompany that potential then good things generally happen for them (LeBron/Durant).

You also have outlier ones that are the exact perfect fits for their teams/situation (Curry in GSW/Harden in HOU/Nash in PHX).

This is an oversimplification and I'm sitting in a parking lot typing this on my phone while half re-reading what I typed haha.
 
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#97
#97
Without analyzing all the other potential draftees, I would not be surprised at all if Springer slips to the 2nd. Just going off the eye and gut feeling test, I have a hard time imagining that there aren't 30 college, G-League, and international players selected before him. But I'm no draft expert.
 
#98
#98
Chris4Vols22 said:
Without analyzing all the other potential draftees, I would not be surprised at all if Springer slips to the 2nd. Just going off the eye and gut feeling test, I have a hard time imagining that there aren't 30 college, G-League, and international players selected before him. But I'm no draft expert.
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The NBA drafts off potential in large part, he’s one of the youngest, if not THE youngest player in the draft…so scouts view his potential development as larger than many players.
 
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#99
bleedingTNorange said:
The NBA drafts off potential in large part, he’s one of the youngest, if not THE youngest player in the draft…so scouts view his potential development as larger than many players.
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That's really not accurate. If all things were equal about the prospects, then age would be the trump card for sure. But its just not that simple. Cade Cunningham is a full year older and nobody thinks his potential development is lesser than younger players in this draft.

The age game really makes a big difference when you're comparing a 1 and done vs a 3 or 4 year college guy. Plus taking into account if your organization is still building or you're an aging team looking for day 1 impact. Which is why once you get in the 20s, the draft can get really unpredictable.
 
#100
#100
bleedingTNorange said:
The NBA drafts off potential in large part, he’s one of the youngest, if not THE youngest player in the draft…so scouts view his potential development as larger than many players.
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When I look at all of Springer's potentials (not just age), I don't get that sure-fire feeling of "yes, he's obviously getting drafted in the first" like I do with Keon.
 
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