Vols post perfect 1000 APR.

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allvol123 said:
The contrast between this regime and the last is night and day.
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I;m not sure I understand the contrast that you believe exists. I'll get bashed for this but the best thing DD did was to do away with Kiffhole's apparent belief that character in recruiting didn't matter. No matter his problems on the field, DD recruited kifds who were interested and committed to academics, as well as football.
 
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I think some are underestimating the significance of this. The whole culture is changing and this will pay huge dividends in the future. It seems like everything this staff does gives us a little more of an advantage over the competition in the SEC recruiting arms race.
 
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Volinnooga said:
I;m not sure I understand the contrast that you believe exists. I'll get bashed for this but the best thing DD did was to do away with Kiffhole's apparent belief that character in recruiting didn't matter. No matter his problems on the field, DD recruited kifds who were interested and committed to academics, as well as football.
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I think Dooley probably gets a little more hate than what he should but you're dead wrong on this.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think some are underestimating the significance of this. The whole culture is changing and this will pay huge dividends in the future. It seems like everything this staff does gives us a little more of an advantage over the competition in the SEC recruiting arms race.
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UT is measured against Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, & Auburn...the traditional powers. Do you think the academic side is a "true" advantage? I would hope so, but the counterpoint is winning.
 
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How impressive is it for this staff to be able to go into a recruits home and see mom and dad, be able to look them in the eye and say with all honesty, and numbers to back it up, we are taking your son's education seriously. Could carry a lot of weight with the "mamas" when they might be on the fence.
 
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volger said:
Best APR scores (football):
Northwestern: 996
Boise State: 993
Duke: 989
Clemson: 985
Wisconsin: 985
Georgia Tech: 983
Boston College: 982
Missouri: 982
Ohio State: 982
Rice: 979




Where is this 1000 of which you speak?
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OP said it brought the average up to 960
 
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Boca Vol said:
UT is measured against Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, & Auburn...the traditional powers. Do you think the academic side is a "true" advantage? I would hope so, but the counterpoint is winning.
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In the short term the counterpoint will always win, this is another momentum shift towards culture. In the long term it will be big.

Image walking on Campus as a recruit 2 years from now and seeing the Culture of the Football team alone. Academically, conditioning, attitude, facilities, family environment, state of the Art facilities. In the past we just threw out tradition and facilities as a pitch. With improvements in all areas and transparency we will be a better sale for a total program and university.

CBJ and staff are consistent constantly making changes and moving forward. They are Always in Search of Excellence, in doing so improves the program in every aspect.

He realized what UT had and he has taken every advantage of it to sell this program and make it better. The point is he will do it on his and his staff's Timeline not on the timeline of boosters or fans.

At the end of the day, I am sure he is stating "I can't believe I am being paid to do this job." That's the attitude.

What bugs me is that fans, feel like they are entitled to own the team without accepting any responsibility for the failures of this team both on and off the field. It is what separates winners from losers.

The losers have nothing to lose because they are just what they are Losers, but the winners have to earn every bit of it and have to always continue to earn it to stay on top.

Recruiting, conditioning, attitude, culture, academics, community, execution, accountability, and responsibility starts at Ground Zero when a Freshman Athlete walks through the Doors of Tennessee. At least that is the New Standard.
 
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I don't think this has been posted yet, but I was looking around and found a summary of how the APR is calculated.

Basically, each scholarship athlete is capable of receiving two points, one for staying in school and another for being academically eligible. The team's total points are then divided by the possible points and multiplied by 1000 to get your APR.
 
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an impressive achievement by all involved. Raising the overall APR to 960, excellent news.

Academics
Building character
Building a program
Building relationships
Recruiting
Tennessee Tradition

Focus and priorities. Butch and staff representing the University well
 
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Velo Vol said:
Top level SEC recruits don't pick schools based on APR scores.

Let's get real here.
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That was sort of my point.

I think Sudden Impact's point is also valid, but not in the short term.

If 3-4 years from now UT is winning games against rivals, staying out of trouble, going to class, etc. then this will be a program all Vol fans will be very proud of.

Does it give us a recruiting advantage at the present? I'm not sold on that.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think some are underestimating the significance of this. The whole culture is changing and this will pay huge dividends in the future. It seems like everything this staff does gives us a little more of an advantage over the competition in the SEC recruiting arms race.
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Boca Vol said:
UT is measured against Bama, UF, UGA, LSU, & Auburn...the traditional powers. Do you think the academic side is a "true" advantage? I would hope so, but the counterpoint is winning.
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You will have to look no further than 4* commit Derek Barnett's mom for your answer.
 
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stephenk24 said:
How bad were we before CBJ?
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(This is for Stephen, our UK fan from across the pond, he probably knows most of this but maybe not)

It's not just "How bad were we?" but how bad was most everyone.

In the United States (on average) A=4.0, B=3.0, C=2.0, D=1.0 F=0. Test scores meeting individual professors rules for A, B, C+, etc vary from fixed, to a Bell Curve, to the prof standing at the top of a stairwell and tossing the class papers down, those landing on the 1st step get an A, 2nd= B. (Don't laugh, happened to me in a Philosophy class)

According to the Volnation post I linked below, in December of 2012 the combined GPA (Grade Point Average) of the football team was around 1.94, a high D, most universities would drop a student with that GPA as academically ineligible. I don't know what UT's minimum GPA is. Someone else may know what the VOL's APR was when bUTch took over.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...72-academic-issues-explained.html#post7946290

So, the NCAA High School Eligibility GPA requirement for recruits has been set at 2.0 (a C) for many years. But that's changing in 2016 to 2.3, a higher C. A C+ would be a 2.5.

That low 2.0 GPA requirement (a D) led to many athletes just barely getting by in high school and are totally unprepared for the college environment, and many failed. According to this ESPN article 40% of the previous years recruiting class would have been academically ineligible and would have to have academically redshirted.

New incoming eligibility standards create term - ESPN

So, the NCAA passed rules soon to go into effect that raised the entrance GPA to 2.3 along with entrance exam scores. Result is that high school athletes are already paying more attention to their studies.

Now, for the existing players who got in on a wing and a prayer, as I said, many flunked out. The NCAA decided to make the schools responsible and came up with the Academic Progress Report. The APR is NOT the GPA. The only way GPA is tied to APR is through each player either meeting or not their individual schools minimum GPA for remaining academically eligible to play. This may or may not (usually not in DIV 1) be the NCAA's current minimum of 2.0. In other words the APR only asks if the player is academically eligible or not. Other factors: progress towards graduation, staying in school if off the team, on the team but on academic probation, transfer to another school, or just quitting school altogether. They accumulate these APR points ... for the whole team, and factor to get a meaningful comparison, e.g. 1.000 or below.

H.S student becoming eligible:
Becoming Eligible - NCAA.org
College student remaining eligible:
Remaining Eligible - NCAA.org
Calculating the APR and what it has accomplished.
Academic Progress Rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Velo Vol said:
Top level SEC recruits don't pick schools based on APR scores.

Let's get real here.
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By itself? No. You would be correct in saying that.

Is it an extra tidbit you can sell with the rest of your product? Absolutely.

If it causes you problems with the AA' can it be used against you recruiting? Absolutely.

All said, its a positive for the overall picture.
 
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vollygirl said:
But they would definitely rule out one who was penalized because of it.

It matters.
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Yes it matters! The penalties are significant up loss of Division 1 status.

Division I - NCAA.org

Loss of post season play is an annual penalty and is increasing to 930 in 2014-2015.

Would you want to go to Slippery Academics U if they're on NCAA academic probation, haven't improved and liable to lose Div 1 status, decreased number of recruits, decreased practice time, coaches on probation, no post season play, etc.

Kid would be dumb as a sack of rocks to want to play there, (just like the school's administration).
 
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vollygirl said:
But they would definitely rule out one who was penalized because of it.

It matters.
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Sure, you want a good enough score so there's no NCAA issues. And it's nice that the players are going to class and stuff, like they're supposed to.

But beyond that, it's not like we're competing against Vandy and Duke for scholars here.
 
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Butch has implemented some proven strategies to get grades up. Creates a competitive culture where the athletes police themselves as well. He did the same thing at Cincinnati and it worked.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Sure, you want a good enough score so there's no NCAA issues. And it's nice that the players are going to class and stuff, like they're supposed to.

But beyond that, it's not like we're competing against Vandy and Duke for scholars here.
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Where did I say anything like that?
 
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