VP debate 2024

#602
#602
luthervol said:
???????????
I'm simply providing a vance quote.
Here it is again.......
VANCE SAID - "I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical a**hole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler,"

Why in the world would vance have said that?
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Well, he explained that in great detail.
 
#605
#605
BigOrangeMojo said:
Appealing to the base vs appealing to undecideds....

The base is already voting for you. Try to win over the ones who are going to decide the election
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Vance missed two great opportunities when asked if Trump had lost the election. Should have said:

1) "The American people lost when the current administration took office", and

2) "Tim, we all know that Joe Biden is currently President...or is he?"
 
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creekdipper said:
Vance missed two great opportunities when asked if Trump had lost the election. Should have said:

1) "The American people lost when the current administration took office", and

2) "Tim, we all know that Joe Biden is currently President...or is he?"
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Either one would have been a much better response.

But doubling down on unproven bunk isnt going to swing undecideds to you...
 
#614
#614
Orange_Vol1321 said:
So I didn't watch this.

I hear CBS was just as unfair as ABC and Trump is smart For not agreeing to a second debate by the government media.

Waltz looked like a deer in headlights.


And @evillawyer is still posting extreme left government shills saying Waltz won.




Sums it up?
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Is Fox a government shill?

 
#616
#616
McDad said:
Understood. I'm banking on history.

I bet there will be some polls coming soon which show the impact or lack of the vp debate in the election.
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The problem is some of the goings on the the world could actually have some impact on the polls so it might look like it’s related to the debate but I’m with you, last night isn’t moving anything.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
You are seeing it through a right wing lens. Take his response to 2020 election. He could have made comment towards independent voters. But he went to right wing fringe.

Abortion is a losing issue for Rs with independents. Vance has enough prior comments on it that his response last night carried no weight. Decent response but empty words...
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You are arguing that they were appealing to their base. What did Vance say that you didn't agree with or sounded "right wing"?

I agree Walz probably talked more to his base and the group that may be looking for handouts but thats because he was overmatched on stage.
 
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evillawyer said:
Is Fox a government shill?

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I don't watch any of the news media. All pure opinion and has been for well over 10 years.

You want to impress me with a debate? Have a Republican asking the democrat on stage the questions and a democrat asking the Republican on stage the questions.
 
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evillawyer said:
How dare you interject the truth, childless cat lady.

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False meme.

Brennan specifically said that Vance said that Harris was deliberately letting in children to act as drug mules. We immediately said, "He never said that; she's lying," and then Vance appropriately called out her lie. Instead of correcting herself, Brennan (with O'Donnell's help) just smirked and cut off Vance's mic).

This CBS partisan lies continues a pattern of some of the most prominent "news" personalities who have been caught aiding their Democrat candidates: CBS's Candy Crowley, NBC's Kristen Welker, PBS's Judy Woodruff, MSNBC's Jen Psaki, etc. They have admitted that they were wrong after the damage was done and when the retractions made little difference. CNN's Dana Bash recently admitted that she and her colleague had spent a lot of time in advance discussing how to 'handle" Trump during their debate.

The Fourth Estate is dead.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I don't find someone knowing my hopes, desires and problems as a qualification. I do appreciate people having empathy for others, but it isn't determinative to me.

As for Walz' time in Congress, I agree he has experience in office but experience =/= policy or accomplishments. It just means he has been elected to office. I haven't been given a single accomplishment he actually spearheaded or achieved that makes me consider him worthy to be 1st in line succession to the presidency.

A Governor? O.K., I admit I like voting for governors. Executive experience is can be worthwhile. It also provides a record of how a leader performs when in the crucible. I think Walz had significant failures during his terms as governor, but I would hope he would have learned from those - specifically his failures as a leader during the summer riots. ('Cuz I don't see us getting better as a nation.)

I guess I am saying that I still don't see where Walz has policy or accomplishments to stand on. You did provide examples of his experience, and I find that to be relevant also, I am just not sure the experience you cited gives me confidence in Walz to be an effective leader.

Regardless of our different assessment of Walz, I do sincerely appreciate your response to my post, and I respect that you did it without the vitriol that often manifests here on the board when we discuss these issues. Thank you.

I guess I land here after last night's debate: of the 4 candidates on the two tickets, I wish I could vote for Vance. He has his flaws, but he showed himself to be thoughtful, articulate, persuasive, compassionate and in command. I did not see the "weird." I also found him to be someone who has engaged in self-reflection; someone who is willing to admit he has grown ("evolved", if you prefer.) All the other candidates seem to run from that as if it is a character flaw rather than a strength.
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Wow. The civility from last night is already spreading. How boring. You suck Ritz!
 
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creekdipper said:
False meme.

Brennan specifically said that Vance said that Harris was deliberately letting in children to act as drug mules. We immediately said, "He never said that; she's lying," and then Vance appropriately called out her lie. Instead of correcting herself, Brennan (with O'Donnell's help) just smirked and cut off Vance's mic).

This CBS partisan lies continues a pattern of some of the most prominent "news" personalities who have been caught aiding their Democrat candidates: CBS's Candy Crowley, NBC's Kristen Welker, PBS's Judy Woodruff, MSNBC's Jen Psaki, etc. They have admitted that they were wrong after the damage was done and when the retractions made little difference. CNN's Dana Bash recently admitted that she and her colleague had spent a lot of time in advance discussing how to 'handle" Trump during their debate.

The Fourth Estate is dead.
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