War in Ukraine

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ButchPlz said:
Great, what are you sanctioning? Minerals, oil imports? How do you plan to counter the economic impact on the US? You're still volunteering everyone to an effort that is better dealt with by Europe.
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"Better dealt with by Europe"
As though stuff in Europe doesn't affect us.
 
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tvolsfan said:
"Better dealt with by Europe"
As though stuff in Europe doesn't affect us.
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You're stretching, and you didn't answer my point. Why are you taking it on yourself to volunteer Americans to contribute to a conflict situation thousands of miles away?

And why is America expected to lead the charge in a European conflict? Until Europe steps up and handles the situation themselves, we shouldn't be involved. Europe has leaned on the US (at enormous expense to us) for decades. I'm simply stating it's not our role. You seem to be eager to escalate. It's a selfish and evil look to wank off to war and volunteer your neighbors and fellow Americans for sacrifices for your own entertainment.
 
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ButchPlz said:
You're stretching, and you didn't answer my point. Why are you taking it on yourself to volunteer Americans to contribute to a conflict situation?

And why is America expected to lead the charge in a European conflict? Until Europe steps up and handles the situation themselves, we shouldn't be involved. Europe has leaned on the US (at enormous expense to us) for decades. I'm simply stating it's not our role. You seem to be eager to escalate. It's a selfish and evil look to wank off to war and volunteer your neighbors and fellow Americans for sacrifices for your own entertainment.
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Europe will suffer the consequences of a Russian invasion and sanctions on Russia far more than America will. It's still something you have to do unless you want to see a reconstructed, authoritarian power swallow up more territory and power. It blows my mind some people are still stuck in this 1700's mindset. The funny thing is a bunch of the same people will no doubt bleat about China.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Europe will suffer the consequences of a Russian invasion and sanctions on Russia far more than America will. It's still something you have to do unless you want to see a reconstructed, authoritarian power swallow up more territory and power. It blows my mind some people are still stuck in this 1700's mindset.
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Still dodging. Typical.
 
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tvolsfan said:
What did I dodge?
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I asked you directly how you are going to compensate for the economic damage you're volunteering your fellow Americans for. Instead, you nonsensically complain about a "1700s mindset" and continue to advocate for American involvement in a European issue, presumably for your own entertainment.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not sure why people act like the Founding Fathers wouldn't have different opinions after 250 years.
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Because what they said back then applies still today. Europe is constantly involved in petty squabbles. You guys talk so much sh^t about countries in the Middle East always fighting with each other, but the Middle East doesn't hold a candle to Europe.

Our Documents - Transcript of President George Washington's Farewell Address (1796)

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.
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tvolsfan said:
Europe will suffer the consequences of a Russian invasion and sanctions on Russia far more than America will. It's still something you have to do unless you want to see a reconstructed, authoritarian power swallow up more territory and power. It blows my mind some people are still stuck in this 1700's mindset. The funny thing is a bunch of the same people will no doubt bleat about China.
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It amazes me that we still have people thinking that we are dealing with the USSR and not the Russian Federation. Plus, China is far more of a concern because so many of our friends and neighbors have connections with them financially and are manipulated into supporting Chinese interests here at home.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I asked you directly how you are going to compensate for the economic damage you're volunteering your fellow Americans for. Instead, you nonsensically complain about a "1700s mindset" and continue to advocate for American involvement in a European issue, presumably for your own entertainment.
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Oh, that's what you're going with? How am I going to foot the bill for sanctions? I'm pretty sure I'd feel the cost of rising energy costs.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Oh, that's what you're going with? How am I going to foot the bill for sanctions? I'm pretty sure I'd feel the cost of rising energy costs.
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And you are wise enough to get to make that decision for all of us? And you're fine with us inevitably taking on payment for a conflict that Europeans themselves keep cowering from?

You likely think you're being strong. Instead, you're acting like Europe's bitch. It makes no sense.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Because what they said back then applies still today. Europe is constantly involved in petty squabbles. You guys talk so much sh^t about countries in the Middle East always fighting with each other, but the Middle East doesn't hold a candle to Europe.

Our Documents - Transcript of President George Washington's Farewell Address (1796)
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Sorry, but that's a childish argument. The world isn't the same as it was in 1796. What happens in Europe will inevitably affect us.
 
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