War in Ukraine

[Pepe_Silvia]

We will have to deal with the outcome, regardless of your dissatisfaction of their weakness.

Of course this assumes that putin has the desire or wherewithal to conquer Europe.

 

[allvol123]

Then who's needs are being met by involving ourselves in this? Certainly not mines or yours or Main Street America.

Is a more powerful or less powerful Russia better for the US?

 

[allvol123]

Of course this assumes that putin has the desire or wherewithal to conquer Europe.

Who is the stopper if he does?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Watch.

Watch Europe defend itself? Or watch Russia run "roughshod over Europe"? because under the current arrangement, I think both of those are not practical or probable. The US isn't going to give up any control of Western Europe to allow them to defend themselves and I doubt very seriously that Russia can or has the desire to take over Europe in an easy manner that you are suggesting.

 

[VolStrom]

Who is the stopper if he does?

It won't be us this time because we don't have any manufacturing capability left to make the steel, aluminum or chips to do crap about it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Is a more powerful or less powerful Russia better for the US?

Now when you say "US" do you mean Average/Main St. Americans or our political and corporate oligarchs? Those are two completely different demographics.

To the average American, it doesn't matter either way. What would be best is if we tried to remove all of this vestigial acrimony and fear carried over from the Cold War and actually try to engage in commerce and peaceful relations with Russia.

The political class and the corporatists, on the other hand, don't benefit from having good relations with Russia.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Who is the stopper if he does?

It would be the Europeans defending themselves.

Are you really this fearful of Europe not being able to fight Russia?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It won't be us this time because we don't have any manufacturing capability left to make the steel, aluminum or chips to do crap about it.

I guess we will have to rely on our real enemy China to supply all of that.

 

[allvol123]

Now when you say "US" do you mean Average/Main St. Americans or our political and corporate oligarchs? Those are two completely different demographics.

To the average American, it doesn't matter either way. What would be best is if we tried to remove all of this vestigial acrimony and fear carried over from the Cold War and actually try to engage in commerce and peaceful relations with Russia.

The political class and the corporatists, on the other hand, don't benefit from having good relations with Russia.

Tell me how a more powerful Russia benefits the Main Street America ?

Half your problems today are from the infiltration of your education system by communists.

 

[allvol123]

It would be the Europeans defending themselves.

Are you really this fearful of Europe not being able to fight Russia?

I am realistic. Have you met a lot of European men?

 

[MontyPython]

Had FDR listened to the America First boneheads on this site, we'd all be speaking German.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Tell me how a more powerful Russia benefits the Main Street America ?

I already answered that if you would have read it and understood it.

To the average American, it doesn't matter either way.

Half your problems today are from the infiltration of your education system by communists.

I agree. And those are likely influenced by CCP interests and the sellouts here at home that cash their checks. It has nothing to do with Russia.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I am realistic. Have you met a lot of European men?

Have you met a lot of American men?

Why is this our concern? They need to man up if there is so much fear and concern. They don't need American men or weapons or resources helping in their struggle.

 

[allvol123]

I already answered that if you would have read it and understood it.





I agree. And those are likely influenced by CCP interests and the sellouts here at home that cash their checks. It has nothing to do with Russia.

And so as the Russian sphere grows, you see less of these problems in the US? No.

 

[allvol123]

Have you met a lot of American men?

Why is this our concern? They need to man up if there is so much fear and concern. They don't need American men or weapons or resources helping in their struggle.

I’d love for it not to be our concern. But if Europe doesn’t handle it now, it will be ours one day. Raise your hand if you have faith in Europe handling it.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Had FDR listened to the America First boneheads on this site, we'd all be speaking German.

No we wouldn't. Germany would have only been able to get so far even if they would have successfully taken over Western Europe. They would have had to deal with counter-insurgencies and the same energy restraints that they have today because I doubt they would have been able to capture Western Europe without abandoning any ambitions on their eastern front. They would have had to pick one or the other.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And so as the Russian sphere grows, you see less of these problems in the US? No.

You know what, I'll play along with you on this. Yes, Russia would gain more influence here. They will send in their secret spies and bots and start pumping Orthodox church dogma and messages about re-establishing strong nuclear families, protecting our borders and manufacturing base, and preserving the native culture. Because realistically, the CCP is exporting their native culture right here at home and the United States has also been able to export our culture through media and behind the barrel of a gun. So it would only be logical that the Russians would do the same.

 

[allvol123]

You know what, I'll play along with you on this. Yes, Russia would gain more influence here. They will send in their secret spies and bots and start pumping Orthodox church dogma and messages about re-establishing strong nuclear families, protecting our borders and manufacturing base, and preserving the native culture. Because realistically, the CCP is exporting their native culture right here at home and the United States has also been able to export our culture through media and behind the barrel of a gun. So it would only be logical that the Russians would do the same.

Yep, glorious Communism. Who can’t see that working out.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’d love for it not to be our concern. But if Europe doesn’t handle it now, it will be ours one day. Raise your hand if you have faith in Europe handling it.

Its 50/50. I tell you what though. The best way to never get to that point is for the Europeans to not do anything that would spark a conflict with Russia. That means maintain a buffer between Russia and the rest of them in NATO. Or, disband NATO all together and sit down and have productive and real meetings with Russia. Productive meaning that both sides would need to be willing to give up some things in negotiations in order to make a deal work. Any party that comes in with this "non-starter" attitude or wanting unconditional terms is not negotiating but trying to dictate (that is mainly directed at The West/UK/US).

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yep, glorious Communism. Who can’t see that working out.

This is not the USSR. The communists are in China and right here at home. Stop living in 1962.

 

[allvol123]

This is not the USSR. The communists are in China and right here at home. Stop living in 1962.

Who is the current leader of Russia with a nostalgic love for the good ole days?

 

[allvol123]

Its 50/50. I tell you what though. The best way to never get to that point is for the Europeans to not do anything that would spark a conflict with Russia. That means maintain a buffer between Russia and the rest of them in NATO. Or, disband NATO all together and sit down and have productive and real meetings with Russia. Productive meaning that both sides would need to be willing to give up some things in negotiations in order to make a deal work. Any party that comes in with this "non-starter" attitude or wanting unconditional terms is not negotiating but trying to dictate (that is mainly directed at The West/UK/US).

Putin begins and ends with non starters. Putin is so afraid of Western Europe that he wants to get closer to them. Makes sense.

 

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[Vol737]

Reagan would roll over in his grave is he saw what the TrumpGOP has become.

I’m fine offering support, not troops. I’m not fine with our porous border and I think that’s where a lot of people are at on this.