War in Ukraine

[KB5252]

Once Biden got in and the "Ukraine to join NATO" headlines started, what did everyone expect Russia to do?

Just a question to see what everyone's opinions are.

Was that even a headline before the invasion? I wasnt exactly paying attention to it but don't remember headlines like that until after Russian invasion.

 

[TVOLS]

Once Biden got in and the "Ukraine to join NATO" headlines started, what did everyone expect Russia to do?

Just a question to see what everyone's opinions are.

Russia invaded the sovereign country of Ukraine in 2014 with a “special military operation” what does that have to do with Biden?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Russia invaded the sovereign country of Ukraine in 2014 with a “special military operation” what does that have to do with Biden?

Its been slowly going that way for 30 years, by early 2000s the Ukraine was asking for to a member of NATO, way prior to the coup and the first invasion. The whole plan was to put the squeeze on Russia economically, militarily, and isolate it to collapse. The funny thing is it did financially partially collapse in the late 90s. Once you had the neocons hanging out there in 2014 i.e. McCain, Biden, Nuland, etc. than it was going to go down hill fairly fast as that is what they wanted i.e. war.

https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2002/11-november/e1122c.htm

The Ukraine is simply a pawn, for their to be long-term peace the pawn must be removed. Georgia is next in the pawn process which is why they are in the beginning phases of being sanctioned and isolated. Georgia has time to possibly get out of this but they better get to work.

The Ukraine is simply the pawn which got the note, "you're either with us or against us".

What was Biden doing? What was he not doing there? Heck, he admitted to federal crimes while Vice President.



It makes one really suspect of the mental condition of Obama, Hillary and Biden when not only do they commit serious felony federal crimes, but they even appear to boast and admit it live on camera.

 

[BeardedVol]

Its been slowly going that way for 30 years, by early 2000s the Ukraine was asking for to a member of NATO, way prior to the coup and the first invasion. The whole plan was to put the squeeze on Russia economically, militarily, and isolate it to collapse. The funny thing is it did financially partially collapse in the late 90s. Once you had the neocons hanging out there in 2014 i.e. McCain, Biden, Nuland, etc. than it was going to go down hill fairly fast as that is what they wanted i.e. war.

https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2002/11-november/e1122c.htm

The Ukraine is simply a pawn, for their to be long-term peace the pawn must be removed. Georgia is next in the pawn process which is why they are in the beginning phases of being sanctioned and isolated. Georgia has time to possibly get out of this but they better get to work.

The Ukraine is simply the pawn which got the note, "you're either with us or against us".

What was Biden doing? What was he not doing there? Heck, he admitted to federal crimes while Vice President.



It makes one really suspect of the mental condition of Obama, Hillary and Biden when not only do they commit serious felony federal crimes, but they even appear to boast and admit it live on camera.

Ukraine was told "no" in 2008 by both France and Germany who said they would veto any attempt to give them a MAP, and Ukraine didn't bring it back up till after Russia invaded in 2014.

Nato allies divided over Ukraine and Georgia

At least six members oppose US push for new formula that would put countries on slow path to membership

www.theguardian.com

Furthermore, Putin is on record in 2002, having no problem with Ukraine joining NATO.

After the Russia-NATO Summit President Vladimir Putin took part in a joint press conference with NATO Secretary General George Robertson and Italian Prime Ministers Silvio Berlusconi

www.en.kremlin.ru

It wasn't an issue until Yushenko survived being poisoned in 2004, and Putin failed to get his puppet Yanukovych installed in his first attempt to do so.

 

[Orange.]

The grifting frontman and his faithful servant BeardedVol, this thread's MIC propagandist for the world's largest Western olligarchs' kickback and money-laundering op.

 

[BeardedVol]

The grifting frontman and his faithful servant BeardedVol, this thread's MIC propagandist for the world's largest Western olligarchs' kickback and money-laundering op.

Ah yes, the old money laundering nonsense, haven't heard that one in a few months.

 

[BreatheUT]

Ah yes, the old money laundering nonsense, haven't heard that one in a few months.

How has it been since @evillawyer disappeared and stopped posting X propaganda? I guess the Ras jokes about not being around are gone too which is ironic.

 

[LSU-SIU]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus..._pov_us_senator_lindsey_graham_now_calls_for/
Neocons. Busy worried about getting assets out, and "we can get money".... trying to play both sides of the fence now. Admitting to wanting to extract money and assets. I'm sure the ordinary Ukrainian would love to hear their assets are all spoken for. This is full of American richness.

Pure evil.

Georgia should really consider never letting that guy into the country, or a McCain or Cheney or a Clinton or a Biden or a Bush.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus...v_us_national_security_advisor_jake_sullivan/

Sooooooo.... what's the plan their jake? Same thing I said years ago, you have to have an actual plan which is based in reality. Sending money isn't going to stop the final conclusion by itself.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[LSU-SIU]

Zelensky says Ukraine will lose war if US cuts funding

"If they will cut, I think we will lose," Zelensky told Fox News.

"Of course anyway we will stay, we will fight, we have our production but it is not enough to prevail and it think it is not enough to survive."

Asked if Trump would be able to influence Putin to end the war, Zelensky replied: "It will not be simple but yes he can because he is stronger than Putin.

"Putin is weaker than the United States. The President of the United States has the strength, authority and weapons, and he can decrease the price of energy resources."

Yesterday, the Comedian doesn't need my money, today he needs my money. There is some master 4D chess going on or maybe I need a jive translator because...

Fake it, until you make it.... with people getting blown up. I'm sure all this will work out fine. I hate to break it to him the very bad part, most likely he will lose even if had infinite funding. He needs to invest in baby factories like The Matrix.

 

[BeardedVol]

Zelensky says Ukraine will lose war if US cuts funding



Yesterday, the Comedian doesn't need my money, today he needs my money. There is some master 4D chess going on or maybe I need a jive translator because...

Fake it, until you make it.... with people getting blown up. I'm sure all this will work out fine.

So you are or course of the mindset that Putin should stop launching missiles and drones into Ukraine and remove Russian soldiers from Ukraine's internationally-recognized borders then, right?

Because that would be the quickest way to stop Russian men from dying, which you seem to be ever so concerned about.

 

[LSU-SIU]

How has it been since @evillawyer disappeared and stopped posting X propaganda? I guess the Ras jokes about not being around are gone too which is ironic.

I actually got a kick out of Evil's stuff, either pure evil (as self-described) or basically sarcasm like Libs of TikTok, showing the absurdity of things. Either way, I thought it was entertaining at least.

 

[TVOLS]

US shuts Kyiv embassy due to 'potential significant air attack'

The Italian and Greek embassies said they had also closed their doors after the unusual U.S. warning, while the French embassy remained open.

www.usatoday.com

 

[LSU-SIU]

Its easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.

Yesterday, he didn't my money. Today, he needs my money. The U.S. said yesterday they have all the weapons they need, they don't have the manpower. A few months back he said there is no reason for Americans and Europeans to fight to defend Europe from the Bad Pootin but now he doesn't have "dozens of thousands" to get Crimea back. (of course, he wouldn't need that... he would need millions... but a whole other discussion)

"I was already mentioning that we are ready to bring Crimea back diplomatically," Zelenskyy said. "We cannot spend dozens of thousands of our people so that they perish for the sake of Crimea coming back... we understand that Crimea can be brought back diplomatically."

Zelenskyy answers whether he's willing to cede Crimea, other territory in peace deal

I just wish the guy had the common courtesy to send me a little bit of what he putting in his nose on my tax dollars so we could at least get some enjoyment out of this.

What's the actual plan here, same question I asked a few years ago? Other than extract as much money as you can out of the scam then burn it down like in Goodfellas.

 

[BeardedVol]

Its easier to fool people than it is to convince they've been fooled.

Yesterday, he didn't my money. Today, he needs my money. The U.S. said yesterday they have all the weapons they need, they don't have the manpower. A few months back he said there is no reason for Americans and Europeans to fight to defend Europe from the Bad Pootin but now he doesn't have "dozens of thousands" to get Crimea back. (of course, he wouldn't need that... he would need millions... but a whole other discussion)



Zelenskyy answers whether he's willing to cede Crimea, other territory in peace deal

I just wish the guy had the common courtesy to send me a little bit of what he using my tax dollars on so we could at least get some enjoyment out of this.

Biden lifting restrictions on US weapons, has really got you bent out of shape hasn't it?

You got family on one of those Russian air bases that are going to get smoked soon?

 

[LSU-SIU]

'Contours Of A Trump Peace Deal': Kremlin Insiders Discuss Putin's Initial Reaction | ZeroHedge

Not sure exactly if this is true in full context but it looks like Russia is saying what I have been saying for about 6-12 months, there just isn't any easy off ramp. It does sound like they are open to speaking with Trump but they point out the issue for long term peace in that area.

"Why? Because this would mean that Ukraine will be constantly used as a tool in the wrong hands and to the detriment of the interests of the Russian Federation," he added. Thus from Moscow's viewpoint, a solid and lasting peace deal would permanently address those elements which could lead to resumption of future conflict. Putin had emphasized a deal must reflect "realities" on the ground.

The original idea floated by Russia early on was Poland annexing Western Ukraine, but they don't want it and I doubt anyone else does. The U.S. will stop funding and probably eventually Europe will as well. I think its a good start, meaning get the Neocons out, but the Neocons set this up as a total cluster-****. There just doesn't appear to be any easy off ramp. I think Trump coming in is good, but doubt the conflict end soon because of Trump. I would suspect it will increase my time table further though.

The Ukraine isn't neutral, there is no real ability for it to remain neutral in the future if pressure is applied.

 

[KB5252]

Its easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.

Yesterday, he didn't my money. Today, he needs my money. The U.S. said yesterday they have all the weapons they need, they don't have the manpower. A few months back he said there is no reason for Americans and Europeans to fight to defend Europe from the Bad Pootin but now he doesn't have "dozens of thousands" to get Crimea back. (of course, he wouldn't need that... he would need millions... but a whole other discussion)



Zelenskyy answers whether he's willing to cede Crimea, other territory in peace deal

I just wish the guy had the common courtesy to send me a little bit of what he putting in his nose on my tax dollars so we could at least get some enjoyment out of this.

What's the actual plan here, same question I asked a few years ago? Other than extract as much money as you can out of the scam then burn it down like in Goodfellas.

It's that a real video of you inhaling powdered Putin sauce?

 

[DynaLo]

Snowballs lasting long term in hades have a better chance of happening than Putin giving up any ground on his keeping of Crimea.

If this keeps getting insanely escalated by the West the phrase “tactical nuclear artillery” will enter the conversation if Russia truly responds back with conviction.

 

[KB5252]

'Contours Of A Trump Peace Deal': Kremlin Insiders Discuss Putin's Initial Reaction | ZeroHedge

Not sure exactly if this is true in full context but it looks like Russia is saying what I have been saying for about 6-12 months, there just isn't any easy off ramp. It does sound like they are open to speaking with Trump but they point out the issue for long term peace in that area.



The original idea floated by Russia early on was Poland annexing Western Ukraine, but they don't want it and I doubt anyone else does. The U.S. will stop funding and probably eventually Europe will as well. I think its a good start, meaning get the Neocons out, but the Neocons set this up as a total cluster-****. There just doesn't appear to be any easy off ramp. I think Trump coming in is good, but doubt the conflict end soon because of Trump. I would suspect it will increase my time table further though.

The Ukraine isn't neutral, there is no real ability for it to remain neutral in the future if pressure is applied.

For a man that incessantly complains about people lapping American and Ukraine propaganda you then turn around and post this obvious Russian propaganda..........

You can't be taken seriously.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's that a real video of you inhaling powdered Putin sauce?

What are you talking about.

I posted why I think he is on drugs or appears to have major issues, is he right he doesn't need my money or is he right he doesn't need my money? Is manpower a problem like the U.S. says, if yes, how is going achieve anything? What is the plan?

I understand I hurt your feelings somehow, I honestly don't know how but if you want to discuss what I posted in good faith.... I am here. I understand you are frustrated, but that isn't my fault.

 

[KB5252]

I will say I think the longer range missiles are a mistake, in fact ramping up hostilities is counterproductive at this point. Things appear to be headed towards a winding down, Biden's administration appears to be laying some dangerous speed bumps.

 

[LSU-SIU]

For a man that incessantly complains about people lapping American and Ukraine propaganda you then turn around and post this obvious Russian propaganda..........

You can't be taken seriously.

What propaganda? I was the one that said this long ago.

 

[KB5252]

What are you talking about.

I posted why I think he is on drugs or appears to have major issues, is he right he doesn't need my money or is he right he doesn't need my money? Is manpower a problem like the U.S. says, if yes, how is going achieve anything? What is the plan?

I understand I hurt your feelings somehow, I honestly don't know how but if you want to discuss what I posted in good faith.... I am here. I understand you frustrated, but that isn't my fault.

Im not commenting on his need our money or not. Not even sure what you're talking about....... Just your pro Putin, to the point of fellatio, guzzling prophanda posts.

It's fine to call out others for their pro Ukraine propaganda..... But then to respond with the equivalent from Putin media is absolutely hilarious. The fact you can't comprehend why is pathetic.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Im not commenting on his need our money or not. Not even sure what you're talking about....... Just your pro Putin, to the point of fellatio, guzzling prophanda posts.

It's fine to call out others for their pro Ukraine propaganda..... But then to respond with the equivalent from Putin media is absolutely hilarious. The fact you can't comprehend why is pathetic.

But that was gist of my comments on it, more or less. So what's the problem?

But you are no expressing what that is.... its you're feelings are hurt. If you have a disputed fact or would discuss an opinion or pov, I am here. But saying stuff like "propaganda" seems like version of "conspiracy theory" and "Orange Man Bad".

The fact you can't comprehend why is pathetic.

What am I not comprehending? I have asked you to clarify what your specific issues is.

 

[KB5252]

Putin's realities on the ground mean they stay under the thumb of Putin, will of the people be damned.


Let's not pretend the majority of the people in Georgia, Ukraine or any other former satellite want to remain under Russian rule save that of war and possibility of death.