War in Ukraine

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Septic said:
Agreed. if they don't like it - they can leave.

If the terrorists in the Donbas don't like living in Ukraine under Ukraine rules - they too can leave.

No bloodshed required.
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So to be clear, if the Colonists here in America were disgruntled with England, they should have moved from the Colonies? If the Texans were disgruntled with Santa Ana, they should have moved back to the United States? If white South Africans are upset about land reforms there, they should move go back where they came from? If the Kosovo minorities were upset with Serbia, they should have moved to Albania?
 
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Septic said:
Had Russia lived up to the Budapest Memorandum, we wouldn't be here today.

Putin is a scumbag. That you'd try and present him and Russia as some sort of victim shows just how far your nose is up his ass.
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The Budapest Memorandum was first violated by The West when they tried to start a color revolution in Ukraine in 2004.
 
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Oh man. This is rich.

Seems Russia's anti-missile budget got diverted into vodka / generals' pockets. Per usual, the Ruskies are all fluff, no substance.

“The American multiple launch rocket system, if it does reach Ukraine, will be considered as a potential threat to the Russian army. For HIMARS, there is worthy opposition from Russian missile defense systems, which successfully shoot down Tochka-U missiles that launch the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Even complexes such as the S-300, not to mention the S-400 and S-500, will cope with HIMARS, ”military expert Vladislav Shurygin told Gazeta."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The Budapest Memorandum was first violated by The West when they tried to start a color revolution in Ukraine in 2004.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So to be clear, if the Colonists here in America were disgruntled with England, they should have moved from the Colonies? If the Texans were disgruntled with Santa Ana, they should have moved back to the United States? If white South Africans are upset about land reforms there, they should move go back where they came from? If the Kosovo minorities were upset with Serbia, they should have moved to Albania?
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No what I'm saying is that if people choose to rebel, then they shouldn't get surprised and act like victims when their violence is met with violence. You trying to equate the situation in the Donbas as exactly the same as other revolts for independence or what happened in Vietnam is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty.

All of that aside, no rational person is in agreement with your assertion that Putin is some sort of humanitarian trying to save the people of the Donbas. He's looking to steal the land and resources of something that he feels is his to take under ridiculous pretexts.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So to be clear, if the Colonists here in America were disgruntled with England, they should have moved from the Colonies? If the Texans were disgruntled with Santa Ana, they should have moved back to the United States? If white South Africans are upset about land reforms there, they should move go back where they came from? If the Kosovo minorities were upset with Serbia, they should have moved to Albania?
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No it only applies to the people of Donbass per the Queens of Non Sequiturs here. I swear their hypocrisy has no limits.
 
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Septic said:
No what I'm saying is that if people choose to rebel, then they shouldn't get surprised and act like victims when their violence is met with violence. You trying to equate the situation in the Donbas as exactly the same as other revolts for independence or what happened in Vietnam is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty.

All of that aside, no rational person is in agreement with your assertion that Putin is some sort of humanitarian trying to save the people of the Donbas. He's looking to steal the land and resources of something that he feels is his to take under ridiculous pretexts.
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You say violence met with violence. That wasn't the case in Donbas. They voted in a referendum to separate from Ukraine. That isn't violence. The Kiev regime initiated the violence and maintained that violence for 8 years while the people of Donbas and Russia were pushing for a diplomatic solution.

Plus, if the Kiev regime choses violence, then they should be surprised and act like victims when the other side fights back.
 
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Septic said:
No what I'm saying is that if people choose to rebel, then they shouldn't get surprised and act like victims when their violence is met with violence. You trying to equate the situation in the Donbas as exactly the same as other revolts for independence or what happened in Vietnam is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty.
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Its not intellectual dishonesty. I'm simply trying to understand why this situation is being treated differently than a host of other situations. That is why I put these other situations side by side with this one and ask you all to tell me the difference.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Did I say anything about those jobs? Plus what makes you think that's the biggest percentage of military jobs? It's actually much smaller in comparison to other jobs in the military.

Once again this is an example of pure ignorance from people who didn't serve who are applying stereotypes to our service members on what they can actually do.
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BWAHAHA. No. You didn't specifically mention those job. I did.

Not all military jobs transfer to the civilian world. What about that do you not understand?

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No reason for most to have to start over or go into a completely different field when they get out.
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Which seems to contradict what you are stating above.. Since I did serve I can vouch that MOST do not have to "start over" when they separate..unless you are some of the classifications I mentioned because, wait for it, they don't transfer well to the civilian sector. Especially helo gunner....

I like how you are now saying you served in the military. What chapter are you on in your Russian Trollbot Field Guide®?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So to be clear, if the Colonists here in America were disgruntled with England, they should have moved from the Colonies? If the Texans were disgruntled with Santa Ana, they should have moved back to the United States? If white South Africans are upset about land reforms there, they should move go back where they came from? If the Kosovo minorities were upset with Serbia, they should have moved to Albania?
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Yes. Out of all of your terrible examples that is the only one that is rooted in reality.
 
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MontyPython said:
Oh my! If true.

As a result of the attack on Chernobayevka(Near Kherson Airport), 12 senior Russian officers (generals and colonels) were killed, several dozen units of equipment and ammunition storage were also destroyed.
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Being an officer in the Russian military is like being a red shirt extra in Star Trek...
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
BWAHAHA. No. You didn't specifically mention those job. I did.

Not all military jobs transfer to the civilian world. What about that do you not understand?

You said: Which seems to contradict what you are stating above.. Since I did serve I can vouch that MOST do not have to "start over" when they separate..unless you are some of the classifications I mentioned because, wait for it, they don't transfer well to the civilian sector. Especially helo gunner....

I like how you are now saying you served in the military. What chapter are you on in your Russian Trollbot Field Guide®?
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Okay. Then explain why many are still having to start over when they are NOT working specifically in the fields you mentioned above.

No reason for say an enlisted Marine separating after 4 to 8 years in the 0100, 0600, 3000, and 3400 fields to be starting over. I'll let you look up those fields and explain to your fellow bots what they are. I'm just using those fields as examples.
 
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Anyone of you war mongers have a clue how many miles of roads could be repaved for $44B? How about housing for veterans? School resource officers could be funded? Yeah MF'rs lets launch some bombs on the Russians and kick their asses!
 
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VolStrom said:
Anyone of you war mongers have a clue how many miles of roads could be repaved for $44B? How about housing for veterans? School resource officers could be funded? Yeah MF'rs lets launch some bombs on the Russians and kick their asses!
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They care more about Ukraine than they do America.
 
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