War in Ukraine

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DonjoVol said:
Okay. Then explain why many are still having to start over when they are NOT working specifically in the fields you mentioned above.

No reason for say an enlisted Marine separating after 4 to 8 years in the 0100, 0600, 3000, and 3400 fields to be starting over. I'll let you look up those fields and explain to your fellow bots what they are. I'm just using those fields as examples.
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1. Its most likely their own fault and they didnt utilize the resources available. When I seperated from the USAF they gave us all the tools we needed for resumes, interviewing, etc. As I interview people for GS-13/14 jobs in the FAA bot factory where I work I almost always hire veterans yet their resumes tend to be terrible. Did the military fail them? Nah, they just didn't use the resources available to them.

2. I don't have any clue what USMC jobs are (nor do I care), I was in the USAF. Fun fact, when I was stationed in Iceland at NAS Keflavik (56 RQS) a Russian military cargo plane brought us and our MH-60's back from Germany. Then it was abandoned for 6 months on the airfield because they couldn't buy fuel to leave. LOL. Somewhere there is a Russian Antonov with a wiener spray pained on its belly. Hopefully its charred remains lay in Ukraine now.
 
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VolStrom said:
Anyone of you war mongers have a clue how many miles of roads could be repaved for $44B? How about housing for veterans? School resource officers could be funded? Yeah MF'rs lets launch some bombs on the Russians and kick their asses!
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You're aware that this wasn't an either or situation, right?
 
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Septic said:
You're aware that this wasn't an either or situation, right?
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Yeah, it was too. We could have stood by and done nothing, or we could do what we did. We should let the Europeans defend their own continent like we aren't doing. F Europe, I'm sick of their globalist ways.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
1. Its most likely their own fault and they didnt utilize the resources available. When I seperated from the USAF they gave us all the tools we needed for resumes, interviewing, etc. As I interview people for GS-13/14 jobs in the FAA bot factory where I work I almost always hire veterans yet their resumes tend to be terrible. Did the military fail them? Nah, they just didn't use the resources available to them.

2. I don't have any clue what USMC jobs are (nor do I care), I was in the USAF. Fun fact, when I was stationed in Iceland at NAS Keflavik (56 RQS) a Russian military cargo plane brought us and our MH-60's back from Germany. Then it was abandoned for 6 months on the airfield because they couldn't buy fuel to leave. LOL. Somewhere there is a Russian Antonov with a wiener spray pained on its belly. Hopefully its charred remains lay in Ukraine now.
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I know when I got out of the Marine Corps there were not many resources available. This was in the early 2000s though so hopefully things have changed. Although I am still hearing about issues with veterans just returning home and retired veterans having issues with their job searches. Regardless of what you think I do believe there is some bias and discrimination against veterans in the civilian world. Maybe it is because they see veterans as competition, they do not value their skills, simply do not believe them during the interview, or just pure ignorance. This is why many end up going a different route once they get out. I know several who did.

So yes there does need to be some transition period. Perhaps the last 6 months of the veteran's service to assist and help them with writing their resumes. But there should also be education on the civilian side about what the details of many military jobs actually entail and how they could end up benefitting the company. This would help stamp out at least to a degree on the discrimination veterans face when they get out.

No it is not just the individual's fault like you claim. Much of the blame can be placed on people working in the private sector as well.
 
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VolStrom said:
Yeah, it was too. We could have stood by and done nothing, or we could do what we did. We should let the Europeans defend their own continent like we aren't doing. F Europe, I'm sick of their globalist ways.
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No. You implied was that if we hadn't have helped stop Russia than we would have fixed roads, hired teachers and housed vets.

That could have happened with or without our support of Ukraine. It's not a zero sum situation, it wasn't either or.
 
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Septic said:
No. You implied was that if we hadn't have helped stop Russia than we would have fixed roads, hired teachers and housed vets.

That could have happened with or without our support of Ukraine. It's not a zero sum situation, it wasn't either or.
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No, I implied that had we not wasted money on blowing up Russians and spending money on the Ukrainians that we could have spent that money on something else such as roads.... etc.
 
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Septic said:
😂 Y'all dumb af if you think the government spending gobs in Ukraine would have slowed domestic spending down one red nickle.
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Keep throwing out the dollas then..sounds so counter to your feelings on the matter though.
Tarrifs against the CCP...OMG..Tariffs or embargo against Russia. Lets rock.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Keep throwing out the dollas then..sounds so counter to your feelings on the matter though.
Tarrifs against the CCP...OMG..Tariffs or embargo against Russia. Lets rock.
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We could just formerly seize the assets of theirs that we have frozen. Would pay for all the money we have spent by a large amount .
 
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I can easily understand the anger at the amount of money we’ve thrown into this. I think it’s too much too fast also and have said as much.

But like it or not this is simply too juicy an opportunity to pass up. That moron Pootin completely stepped in it and is in a direct war that is going to decimate their military and their economy at their own hand. And we get to “fight” them by proxy. We supply the means and the Intel and Ukraine does the fighting. And they absolutely want this fight they do not want to surrender their existence is at stake.

This is going to be easily the highest ROI on geopolitical conflict that we have or will ever see.

We get to not expose our own military and rather spend money to absolutely destroy our second highest geopolitical threat. It will take Russia decades to recover from this if they ever can even. We do incur debt, and yeah I agree it’s a lot of money too fast. But there is no way the West was going to pass up this opportunity. And not to mention all of the first hand testing we get to do on our weapon systems for effectiveness and future improvements. We are directly testing them against the adversary and tactics they were designed to fight.
 
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volfanhill said:
We could just formerly seize the assets of theirs that we have frozen. Would pay for all the money we have spent by a large amount .
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As long as it’s state assets I don’t disagree. I think we need to tread lightly on individual forfeiture. And yeah I know the lines blur on the richest oligarchs but we have to make the effort I think
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I can easily understand the anger at the amount of money we’ve thrown into this. I think it’s too much too fast also and have said as much.

But like it or not this is simply too juicy an opportunity to pass up. That moron Pootin completely stepped in it and is in a direct war that is going to decimate their military and their economy at their own hand. And we get to “fight” them by proxy. We supply the means and the Intel and Ukraine does the fighting. And they absolutely want this fight they do not want to surrender their existence is at stake.

This is going to be easily the highest ROI on geopolitical conflict that we have or will ever see.

We get to not expose our own military and rather spend money to absolutely destroy or second highest geopolitical threat. It will take Russia decades to recover from this if they ever can even. We do incur debt, and yeah I agree it’s a lot of money too fast. But there is no way West was going to pass up this opportunity. And not to mention all of the first hand testing we get to do on our weapon systems for effectiveness and future improvements. We are directly testing them against the adversary and tactics they were designed to fight.
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That is if you believe the propaganda machine saying Russia is losing the war.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
That is if you believe the propaganda machine saying Russia is losing the war.
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I don’t need to read any of it. Common sense should tell anybody paying attention Pootin’s best case outcome is Pyrrhic victory. We are already seeing that unfold. Even if they win the war they have destroyed themselves. No way the West, ALL of the Western countries, was going to pass this up
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I can easily understand the anger at the amount of money we’ve thrown into this. I think it’s too much too fast also and have said as much.

But like it or not this is simply too juicy an opportunity to pass up. That moron Pootin completely stepped in it and is in a direct war that is going to decimate their military and their economy at their own hand. And we get to “fight” them by proxy. We supply the means and the Intel and Ukraine does the fighting. And they absolutely want this fight they do not want to surrender their existence is at stake.

This is going to be easily the highest ROI on geopolitical conflict that we have or will ever see.

We get to not expose our own military and rather spend money to absolutely destroy our second highest geopolitical threat. It will take Russia decades to recover from this if they ever can even. We do incur debt, and yeah I agree it’s a lot of money too fast. But there is no way the West was going to pass up this opportunity. And not to mention all of the first hand testing we get to do on our weapon systems for effectiveness and future improvements. We are directly testing them against the adversary and tactics they were designed to fight.
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Or we could end up with a much worse bitter foe..Not sure how one calculates that this is a good ROI.
 
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Orangeburst said:
How does one event separate?
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I have no idea. But like I said we have to try. It’s easy to turn a blind eye in this case since they’re Russian but we have to try.

But make no mistake all of that wealth has been forfeited by the Russians. It’s a matter of who is going to grab it. We are gonna hear all kinds of stuff about how the seized wealth is going to be given to Ukraine for reparations but they will be lucky to see $0.50 on the dollar I’d guess.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I have no idea. But like I said we have to try. It’s easy to turn a blind eye in this case since they’re Russian but we have to try.

But make no mistake all of that wealth has been forfeited by the Russians. It’s a matter of who is going to grab it. We are gonna hear all kinds of stuff about how the seized wealth is going to be given to Ukraine for reparations but they will be lucky to see $0.50 on the dollar I’d guess.
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And the CCP is laughing their ass off
 
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Orangeburst said:
Or we could end up with a much worse bitter foe..Not sure how one calculates that this is a good ROI.
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Oh they’re gonna be bitter. No doubt. But they are going to be powerless to do anything about it. This is THE chance to square off against the Russians like we prepped for since the end of WWII and we won’t even be firing a shot.
 
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