War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's a ginned up reason. If you expect anyone to believe that this isn't a land grab and that Putin's some sort of altruistic humanitarian that' looking to liberate the donbas, you're nuts.

If it was a land grab, why didn't he grab it when he had the opportunity in 2014 after the Donbas had a referendum? He could have justified taking it then.

And why didn't Russia grab Kazakhstan and South Ossetia?

 

[NorthDallas40]

I dont mind the pain on this aggression..but by golly let others step up to the plate.
Putin cannot take Ukraine in 6 months, not even a NATO member, but will overcome the Northern flank..come on

Actually I think you should stick to your guns man. I get it. You’re genuinely pissed at the dollars I believe you on your own reasoning here.

 

[DonjoVol]

If it was a land grab, why didn't he grab it when he had the opportunity in 2014 after the Donbas had a referendum? He could have justified taking it then.

And why did Russia grab Kazakhstan and South Ossetia?

Or Abkhazia or Transnistria

 

[Septic]

He’s not nuts. He’s just lying and gaslighting the situation.

Good thing they didn't have to justify russia stealing Crimea from Ukraine.

Truthfully, they probably had the gay Nazi Jews/ NATO's too close / Ukraine is mean excuses in the hopper and just recycled them for this go around.

 

[Orangeburst]

These countries are going to send all these weapons to Ukraine and will not have enough to arm their own militaries.

Zelensky just might get his wish of having a "Big Isreal" or when/if Russia wins then we've done nothing but help arm their military with some of these weapons.

Disagree at least with the US...much of the $40B we have provided is funding for US replenishment. The EU is actually starting to spend money and what do you know..making the commitment (for maybe the third time in decades) to actually spend 2% GDP. May not happen with the liberal western EU, but the former Warsaw Bloc will

 

[DonjoVol]

If it was a land grab, why didn't he grab it when he had the opportunity in 2014 after the Donbas had a referendum? He could have justified taking it then.

And why didn't Russia grab Kazakhstan and South Ossetia?

I'm surprised they haven't said Abkhazians should go back to Abkhazia.

 

[NorthDallas40]

What I mean to say is if Russia wins then those weapons will be in their hands and not in the hands of your beloved Ukraine.

Russia has already got the info on any weapon we send just like we’ve already got the info of their stuff.

It’s asinine to think you cannot ever commit a weapon system to its intended use in fear it will fall into the wrong hands.

Javelin has been around since the early 90’s. These rocket systems are not much newer from a development standpoint. There is no risk of losing technology in any of these.

 

[Septic]

If it was a land grab, why didn't he grab it when he had the opportunity in 2014 after the Donbas had a referendum? He could have justified taking it then.

And why didn't Russia grab Kazakhstan and South Ossetia?

Because they weren't prepared. As we can all see from this pathetic attempt, even years of preparation still left them wanting for a competent takeover. They may have grabbed a little land, now they'll have to hold it from a seriously pissed off and well supplied country that will never give up.

 

[Orangeburst]

Actually I think you should stick to your guns man. I get it. You’re genuinely pissed at the dollars I believe you on your own reasoning here.

Everything is degrees and probably resolves 90% of our political problems. There are grays

 

[NorthDallas40]

Good thing they didn't have to justify russia stealing Crimea from Ukraine.

Truthfully, they probably had the gay Nazi Jews/ NATO's too close / Ukraine is mean excuses in the hopper and just recycled them for this go around.

I have no doubt they can rationalize whatever must be rationalized in order to support Mother Russia in her glorious cause.

 

[DonjoVol]

Disagree at least with the US...much of the $40B we have provided is funding for US replenishment. The EU is actually starting to spend money and what do you know..making the commitment (for maybe the third time in decades) to actually spend 2% GDP. May not happen with the liberal western EU, but the former Warsaw Bloc will

Not every European is on board with supporting Ukraine.

This 40 billion benefits our own military industrial complex. Keep in mind all they care about is selling weapons. They could care less what happens to the weapons after that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Because they weren't prepared. As we can all see from this pathetic attempt, even years of preparation still left them wanting for a competent takeover. They may have grabbed a little land, now they'll have to hold it from a seriously pissed off and well supplied country that will never give up.

And the Ukrainians stopped them before the resupply mill got rolling along. Now Pootin has to try and break serve with his equipment depleted while Ukraine is rolling out better gear than they stopped them with.

 

[Orangeburst]

Not every European is on board with supporting Ukraine.

This 40 billion benefits our own military industrial complex. Keep in mind all they care about is selling weapons. They could care less what happens to the weapons after that.

I think the MIC is a scapegoat..they have to have political dance partners. What better business than seeing nations at war over the course of human history. That is smart investing IMO

 

[NorthDallas40]

Disagree at least with the US...much of the $40B we have provided is funding for US replenishment. The EU is actually starting to spend money and what do you know..making the commitment (for maybe the third time in decades) to actually spend 2% GDP. May not happen with the liberal western EU, but the former Warsaw Bloc will

You are correct. From what I’ve seen largely on the $40B allocation is replenishment of equipment already in the inventory.

 

[Septic]

Not every European is on board with supporting Ukraine.

This 40 billion benefits our own military industrial complex. Keep in mind all they care about is selling weapons. They could care less what happens to the weapons after that.

Sure, there are people who don't want to be inconvenienced but imagine trying to sell that "not every European is on board" narrative, knowing that even the Swiss finally came off the sidelines for this one.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Good thing they didn't have to justify russia stealing Crimea from Ukraine.

Truthfully, they probably had the gay Nazi Jews/ NATO's too close / Ukraine is mean excuses in the hopper and just recycled them for this go around.

Crimea was part of Russia/USSR up until 1991. There was no way Russia was going to jeopardize their Black Sea Fleet.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Everything is degrees and probably resolves 90% of our political problems. There are grays

When you consider how much money State pisses away every year on us waging economic war it’s a no brainer that we throw some ante in to tear down Russia. As you are pointing to we really REALLY need to not overachieve on us being us on spending.

 

[DonjoVol]

Sure, there are people who don't want to be inconvenienced but imagine trying to sell that "not every European is on board" narrative, knowing that even the Swiss finally came off the sidelines for this one.

That's the Swiss government. That doesn't mean every Swiss citizen is on board with it. Just like I'm not in agreement with Jim Crow Joe and AOC in supporting Ukraine with basically endless funds.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Sure, there are people who don't want to be inconvenienced but imagine trying to sell that "not every European is on board" narrative, knowing that even the Swiss finally came off the sidelines for this one.

That idiot Pootin was able to accomplish something even Hitler couldn’t do. THAT is how bad he f$&@ed up here. And I laugh out loud every time I think of that

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because they weren't prepared. As we can all see from this pathetic attempt, even years of preparation still left them wanting for a competent takeover. They may have grabbed a little land, now they'll have to hold it from a seriously pissed off and well supplied country that will never give up.

They weren't prepared? Putin immediately sent in forces to stabilize Kazakhstan within a week. And Russia is only committing 15% of their resources in Ukraine. Just how many resources would they have needed in Kazakhstan when it was teetering as a failed state? Also, Kazakhstan, with regards to a land grab, is more valuable than eastern Ukraine. If it was strictly about a land grab, Kazakhstan would have been an easy choice.

 

[Septic]

Crimea was part of Russia/USSR up until 1991. There was no way Russia was going to jeopardize their Black Sea Fleet.

And Alaska was owned by the Russians until it wasn't. What's your point?

Sounds like they didn't think that Black Sea fleet security bit all the way through.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Crimea was part of Russia/USSR up until 1991. There was no way Russia was going to jeopardize their Black Sea Fleet.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Poland has entered the chat and would like a word with your disingenuous ass Moe

 

[Orangeburst]

When you consider how much money State pisses away every year on us waging economic war it’s a no brainer that we throw some ante in to tear down Russia. As you are pointing to we really REALLY need to not overachieve on us being us on spending.

We will the more we make it our war..
Nothing would please me more than seeing the Germans pick up the tab on some rebuild. Or watch the CCP when they fumble the ball

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Disagree at least with the US...much of the $40B we have provided is funding for US replenishment. The EU is actually starting to spend money and what do you know..making the commitment (for maybe the third time in decades) to actually spend 2% GDP. May not happen with the liberal western EU, but the former Warsaw Bloc will

Sure. That doesn't change anything. If NATO (including the US) really had to go to (conventional) war with Russia today, they would have a severe weapons crisis.

 

[Septic]

That idiot Pootin was able to accomplish something even Hitler couldn’t do. THAT is how bad he f$&@ed up here. And I laugh out loud every time I think of that

That and having NATO actually expand.