War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

Sanctions wise, with cooperation from others.... Yes.

Sanctions? Really? You still believe in the effectiveness of sanctions at this point? Are you serious? And who is going to join along with these sanctions outside of Western countries and maybe Japan?

You cannot be serious.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Oh I've listed the propaganda you guys and gals have posted before. Plus it's on record here in this forum so no need for me to keep repeating myself. You all are good at making fools of yourselves so no need to discourage you and your fellow Ukrainian bots from doing it some more. So please carry on.

 

[hog88]

So let's use that as a basis. So 3-4 weeks of training. But of course, they have to find the pilots and send the planes over and all of that. So what timeframe are you looking at? Late September at the earliest? Where will the Kyiv regime even be by that time?

Taking a wild guess here but I'd say the planes are already in Europe (we sent some over in May) and we have already been training the pilots so mid August.

 

[KB5252]

Sanctions? Really? You still believe in the effectiveness of sanctions at this point? Are you serious? And who is going to join along with these sanctions outside of Western countries and maybe Japan?

You cannot be serious.

I didn't opine as to their effectiveness, merely stated what I thought we would do.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Taking a wild guess here but I'd say the planes are already in Europe (we sent some over in May) and we have already been training the pilots so mid August.

Ok, so where are they going to stage the planes once this hypothetical timeline is met? Will they stage them in Ukraine or will the pilots fly out of Poland? You think the Russians are just going to allow these planes to be brought in to the country?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I didn't opine as to their effectiveness, merely stated what I thought we would do.

Here is what I am simply saying... and I just want to to chew on it. There is nothing we can realistically do. Not sanctions wise. Not militarily. And seems like diplomacy isn't even an option with these people on any matter. So why are we saberratling and talking all of this tough talk and sending Taiwan weapons?

 

[DonjoVol]

You can get a 2 year degree when you are in the military. Or a 4 year. I did it and I was deployed all the time for multiple wars.

It's not easy depending on which unit someone is with. Plus you were Air Force right? Luckily they have the CCAF now.

But yes it can be easier overall now than it was back in the day with online classes. I served in the late 90s so online classes weren't really a thing back then.

It still can be challenging depending on which branch you are in, your MOS (or AFSC), and what unit you belong to. And let's be honest. College still isn't for everyone.

 

[hog88]

Ok, so where are they going to stage the planes once this hypothetical timeline is met? Will they stage them in Ukraine or will the pilots fly out of Poland? You think the Russians are just going to allow these planes to be brought in to the country?

I'm sure they will stage and fly out of Ukraine. I doubt the Russians can do a damn thing about the planes coming into Ukraine, they haven't been able to stop much of anything else coming in.

 

[DonjoVol]

Ok, so where are they going to stage the planes once this hypothetical timeline is met? Will they stage them in Ukraine or will the pilots fly out of Poland? You think the Russians are just going to allow these planes to be brought in to the country?

Where is Ukraine going to find the pilots. They don't exactly have a large Air Force to begin with.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I don't think it's a complicated weapons platform, it's not supersonic, not an overly complicated weapons system and from what I've read/heard pretty easy to fly so it shouldn't take long to train the pilots. Maybe 3-4 weeks for an experienced pilot.

I’d guess any pilot qualified in the SU-25 could cross over to the A-10 fairly easily

 

[hog88]

Where is Ukraine going to find the pilots. They don't exactly have a large Air Force to begin with.

You don't think they have 10-15 pilots in Ukraine?

 

[NorthDallas40]

You can get a 2 year degree when you are in the military. Or a 4 year. I did it and I was deployed all the time for multiple wars.

I’ve known a couple of E8’s and E9’s that actually managed doctorates. Masters are not uncommon.

 

[FLVOL_79]

It's not easy depending on which unit someone is with. Plus you were Air Force right? Luckily they have the CCAF now.

But yes it can be easier overall now than it was back in the day with online classes. I served in the late 90s so online classes weren't really a thing back then.

It still can be challenging depending on which branch you are in, your MOS (or AFSC), and what unit you belong to. And let's be honest. College still isn't for everyone.

Yes. I was only in the "Air Force".

 

[FLVOL_79]

I’d guess any pilot qualified in the SU-25 could cross over to the A-10 fairly easily

Yep..and be amazed about how less of a piece of sh!t the A10 is.

 

[hog88]

I’ve known a couple of E8’s and E9’s that actually managed doctorates. Masters are not uncommon.

From my understanding the Army really started pushing for NCOs to get degrees in the mid 90s. Between deployments and field cycles I don't see how an infantry soldier would have the time.

 

[NorthDallas40]

From my understanding the Army really started pushing for NCOs to get degrees in the mid 90s. Between deployments and field cycles I don't see how an infantry soldier would have the time.

My dad got out around ‘70 and they were emphasizing college credits even back then. Wasn’t mandatory but it was made clear how helpful they would look in your file come promo time.

 

[hog88]

My dad got out around ‘70 and they were emphasizing college credits even back then. Wasn’t mandatory but it was made clear how helpful they would look in your file come promo time.

Yeah, we got promotion points for college credit but I don't recall the chain of command putting an emphasis on college. Hell we weren't in garrison long enough to take classes very often.

 

[LouderVol]

So let's use that as a basis. So 3-4 weeks of training. But of course, they have to find the pilots and send the planes over and all of that. So what timeframe are you looking at? Late September at the earliest? Where will the Kyiv regime even be by that time?

Why would it leave Kyiv? Russia making another "feint"?

This war has lasted at least 3 months, 4 months already. Why is it suddenly going to change in the next month?

 

[NorthDallas40]

So let's use that as a basis. So 3-4 weeks of training. But of course, they have to find the pilots and send the planes over and all of that. So what timeframe are you looking at? Late September at the earliest? Where will the Kyiv regime even be by that time?

Right in Kyiv where they’ve been all along, even after your home bois tried and failed once to remove them Moe

 

[KB5252]

Here is what I am simply saying... and I just want to to chew on it. There is nothing we can realistically do. Not sanctions wise. Not militarily. And seems like diplomacy isn't even an option with these people on any matter. So why are we saberratling and talking all of this tough talk and sending Taiwan weapons?

Because it's better to go down with some kind of a fight rather than lay down and present your rear end for rape.

Doing something is better than doing nothing. Standing for some principle is better than bailing on allies. If we do the latter we will have no allies left.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Ok, so where are they going to stage the planes once this hypothetical timeline is met? Will they stage them in Ukraine or will the pilots fly out of Poland? You think the Russians are just going to allow these planes to be brought in to the country?

Hell, Russia can't even knock out the HIMARS. As far as where they will stage A10s? I don't know. But I'll bet there are some guys wearing birds and stars that have that all figured out.

 

[tvolsfan]

I didn't opine as to their effectiveness, merely stated what I thought we would do.

Sanctions wouldn’t really work on China because they’re not a poor country, like Russia.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'm sure they will stage and fly out of Ukraine. I doubt the Russians can do a damn thing about the planes coming into Ukraine, they haven't been able to stop much of anything else coming in.

Oh really. OK. So they haven't been hitting these HIMARs and other weapons? What makes you think they wouldn't hit planes?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because it's better to go down with some kind of a fight rather than lay down and present your rear end for rape.

Doing something is better than doing nothing. Standing for some principle is better than bailing on allies. If we do the latter we will have no allies left.

Or you can try diplomacy.

 

[hog88]

Oh really. OK. So they haven't been hitting these HIMARs and other weapons? What makes you think they wouldn't hit planes?

They just might hit them but they won't get them all and just a few A10s will wreak havoc on Russian armor. While I oppose US tax dollars supporting Ukraine it does do my heart good to know there will be more Russians getting stuffed into body bags. Maybe the moms and wives in Russia will get tired of it and run Putin.