War in Ukraine

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ButchPlz said:
And your solution is to stopping what you have decided is "evil" is to pick fights that are going to end up isolating America from the countries that can actually help it stop the greatest evil facing the world right now? Seems brilliant.
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Who is picking the fight here? Who has amassed troops?

Isolation bothers you? You’re going to get more isolated as other powers annex more natural resources and use them as bargaining tools.
 
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landscapingvol said:
France and Germany are capitulating to the Russians, let them reap what they sow. Maybe it will work out for them but I have my doubts?
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France and Germany have business interests with Russia. Maybe they are tired of those business interests with Russia being c*ckblocked and quashed by the crazy Karen across the pond that will likely have no skin in the game when a full scale war does get triggered in Eastern Europe. I'm thinking off the top of my head, but a few years ago, France had a naval vessel that was supposed to be going to Russia and the US/Karen ended up shutting down that deal.

Mistral warships: Russia and France agree compensation deal
 
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ButchPlz said:
You ever seen prison labor in action?
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Most Americans, yourself included don’t understand the difference between forced labor camps and prison work details. A forced labor camp like those in China, Russia, and Nazi Germany worked individuals in horrendous conditions leading to the deaths of thousands if not millions over the decades. How many prisoners in American prisons have died do to enforced working conditions over the last five decades? I would venture to guess fewer than 1k. I just looked it up, the prison mortality rate for state prisons in 2018 was 319 per 100k which was lower than the national average. So, let’s drop this ridiculous notion that Angola state prison is no different than Chinese or Russian gulags. It’s a ridiculous argument to justify our overlooking their pathetic human rights record
 
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allvol123 said:
Who is picking the fight here? Who has amassed troops?

Isolation bothers you? You’re going to get more isolated as other powers annex more natural resources and use them as bargaining tools.
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If the US acted on the resources we have (including our enormous rare earth deposits) it wouldn't matter. I don't care if Russia has natural resources. I care that China is moving to dominate global resources, including land, banking, technology, manufacturing, etc. both abroad and here in the US and the world is better off totally aligning to isolate that threat. Instead, you're here saying we ought to send weapons to a corrupt government in Ukraine - which wouldn't shift the tide of events at all, and would only further distance us from the only regional power with the conventional warfare technology to keep China in line.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Most Americans, yourself included don’t understand the difference between forced labor camps and prison work details. A forced labor camp like those in China, Russia, and Nazi Germany worked individuals in horrendous conditions leading to the deaths of thousands if not millions over the decades. How many prisoners in American prisons have died do to enforced working conditions over the last five decades? I would venture to guess fewer than 1k. I just looked it up, the prison mortality rate for state prisons in 2018 was 319 per 100k which was lower than the national average. So, let’s drop this ridiculous notion that Angola state prison is no different than Chinese or Russian gulags. It’s a ridiculous argument to justify our overlooking their pathetic human rights record
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All I am saying is that pretending the US has a stellar human rights record is ignorant.
 
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ButchPlz said:
If the US acted on the resources we have (including our enormous rare earth deposits) it wouldn't matter. I don't care if Russia has natural resources. I care that China is moving to dominate global resources, including land, banking, technology, manufacturing, etc. both abroad and here in the US and the world is better off totally aligning to isolate that threat. Instead, you're here saying we ought to send weapons to a corrupt government in Ukraine - which wouldn't shift the tide of events at all, and would only further distance us from the only regional power with the conventional warfare technology to keep China in line.
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So we should applaud Russia’s expansion and actually give them the ok to do anything they want if they promise to be our friend. Lol. No thanks.

Putin(Russia) is more aligned with China’s view on governing and always will be.
 
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allvol123 said:
Who is picking the fight here? Who has amassed troops?

Isolation bothers you? You’re going to get more isolated as other powers annex more natural resources and use them as bargaining tools.
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I guess that means we need to drop the belligerent attitude and start working towards mutually beneficial trade... Or, we need to turn inward and see how we can take better advantage of our resources in this hemisphere. Those are two alternatives that are viable and realistic that do not involve war games.
 
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allvol123 said:
So we should applaud Russia’s expansion and actually give them the ok to do anything they want if they promise to be our friend. Lol. No thanks.

Putin(Russia) is more aligned with China’s view on governing and always will be.
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I'm not saying applaud it. I'm saying tell the Europeans to handle the issue. If they won't, let it be a lesson to them. The fall of Ukraine will have limited impact on the United States. Sending weapons to them, especially when the Russians are way more geared up for a conventional combat situation/invasion and their stuff counters ours very well, is a waste of money.

You're advocating throwing money down the toilet for a government many of you have said is corrupt so we can show Russia we mean business. It's idiotic.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess that means we need to drop the belligerent attitude and start working towards mutually beneficial trade... Or, we need to turn inward and see how we can take better advantage of our resources in this hemisphere. Those are two alternatives that are viable and realistic that do not involve war games.
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The resources are currency in building alliances.

It matters not that we have enough to be self sufficient. Other country’s don’t and will be bought off anytime our adversaries need something that is beneficial to them and not beneficial to us.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I have no doubt there is a special interest group benefitting from it but the average US citizen and US soldier gets no benefit from it or any real rational.
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Exactly. And the same can be said about Ukraine. Maybe the Biden family gains something out of being involved in Ukraine, but outside of that, nobody else gains anything.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'm not saying applaud it. I'm saying tell the Europeans to handle the issue. If they won't, let it be a lesson to them. The fall of Ukraine will have limited impact on the United States. Sending weapons to them, especially when the Russians are way more geared up for a conventional combat situation/invasion and their stuff counters ours very well, is a waste of money.

You're advocating throwing money down the toilet for a government many of you have said is corrupt so we can show Russia we mean business. It's idiotic.
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I’ve never made any claim about Ukraine’s government.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
France and Germany have business interests with Russia. Maybe they are tired of those business interests with Russia being c*ckblocked and quashed by the crazy Karen across the pond that will likely have no skin in the game when a full scale war does get triggered in Eastern Europe. I'm thinking off the top of my head, but a few years ago, France had a naval vessel that was supposed to be going to Russia and the US/Karen ended up shutting down that deal.

Mistral warships: Russia and France agree compensation deal
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France shouldn’t be sending warships to the Russians because France won’t be fighting against it if/when Russia decides to rattle its saber. I don’t support war with the Russians but I also don’t know that they are trustworthy, maybe they are? If there is any semblance of Stalinism left in the Russian government then they don’t deserve anyone’s trust. I hope for the sake of the Russian people that is not the case but a former member of the KGB running their government is hard to ignore. KGB members were Naziesque in their support of the party; party first.
 
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