War in Ukraine

[MontyPython]

Today's Kherson Bridge bombing brought to you by Vaseline Brand petroleum jelly and your friendly neighborhood Russian sympathizer @volgr.

Russians know that the HIMARS rockets are coming, they know which direction they're coming from, and they know the trajectory that they're coming in from yet...

THE RUSSIANS. CAN'T. STOP. IT. WITH. ANYTHING.

Sucks to be you, pathetic Russian army west of the Dneiper... surrender or die, sukas.

Bridge Bombing @ HIMARS o'clock.

 

[LouderVol]

Is Newsom "depopulating" CA of Conservatives? Looking around in my area, where we have quite a few CA transplants over the last few years, it would appear so.

I would think you could make that argument. But it's a good bit different when that depopulation comes at gun point. This is like Newsome invading Nevada and kicking people out of there.

 

[volgr]

Today's Kherson Bridge bombing brought to you by Vaseline Brand petroleum jelly and your friendly neighborhood Russian sympathizer @volgr.

Russians know that the HIMARS rockets are coming, they know which direction they're coming from, and they know the trajectory that they're coming in from yet...

THE RUSSIANS. CAN'T. STOP. IT. WITH. ANYTHING.

Sucks to be you, pathetic Russian army west of the Dneiper... surrender or die, sukas.

Bridge Bombing @ HIMARS o'clock.

Your boys are about to lose Nikolaev, Bakhmut and Siversk, but keep shooting holes in a bridge. That'll show'em.

 

[volgr]

I would think you could make that argument. But it's a good bit different when that depopulation comes at gun point. This is like Newsome invading Nevada and kicking people out of there.

I don't think it was done at gunpoint, but once Russia was in charge I don't think it was a friendly environment for Ukrainians, I'll admit. They weren't executed, they got to leave and go live with their people. I think depopulated is too strong a term.

 

[LouderVol]

I completely disagree, so long as this doesn't escalate any further and remains only a proxy war in Ukraine. Russia will come out of this with a renewed confidence. They beat the West both militarily and economically.

Cause it worked out so well in their last proxy war?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I completely disagree, so long as this doesn't escalate any further and remains only a proxy war in Ukraine. Russia will come out of this with a renewed confidence. They beat the West both militarily and economically.

I'm not sure what planet you're living on but Russia couldn't take Kiev BEFORE the West fully mobilized the proxy war and after the West mobilized they retreated and aren't even contesting Kiev except in guerrilla attacks.

Russia got their butt handed to them and Putin knows it. They "shifted their focus" to creating a land bridge to Crimea and they're having trouble with that.

There's no victory for Putin in Ukraine. It's stalled, it's unpopular in Russia, it's embarrassing.

 

[volgr]

I'm not sure what planet you're living on but Russia couldn't take Kiev BEFORE the West fully mobilized the proxy war and after the West mobilized they retreated and aren't even contesting Kiev except in guerrilla attacks.

Russia got their butt handed to them and Putin knows it. They "shifted their focus" to creating a land bridge to Crimea and they're having trouble with that.

There's no victory for Putin in Ukraine. It's stalled, it's unpopular in Russia, it's embarrassing.

Hard to believe another uniformed poster posting a post full of lies. Such as it is in this thread.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think it was done at gunpoint, but once Russia was in charge I don't think it was a friendly environment for Ukrainians, I'll admit. They weren't executed, they got to leave and go live with their people. I think depopulated is too strong a term.

Like I said we know about some getting back to Ukraine. But we also know a bunch got sent to Siberia. I think that counts as forced depopulation.

Also considering the scale of the demographics shift, 15% in at most 8 years is very very dramatic. It also says it was planned or done or purpose and not just "allowed" to happen.

 

[volgr]

Like I said we know about some getting back to Ukraine. But we also know a bunch got sent to Siberia. I think that counts as forced depopulation.

Also considering the scale of the demographics shift, 15% in at most 8 years is very very dramatic. It also says it was planned or done or purpose and not just "allowed" to happen.

The sent to Siberia seems either far fetched or lack of full details. Why would you allow so many to freely leave and at the same time relocate some to Siberia? Is there a secret slave labor camp up there we don't know about?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Hard to believe another uniformed poster posting a post full of lies. Such as it is in this thread.

So Russia is controlling Kiev? They definitely attacked Kiev, right? They definitely massed quite a number of resources outside Kiev at one time to take it, right?

Did Russia obtain control of Kiev?

 

[LouderVol]

The sent to Siberia seems either far fetched or lack of full details. Why would you allow so many to freely leave and at the same time relocate some to Siberia? Is there a secret slave labor camp up there we don't know about?

Lol. Again with the fact that history is repeating itself being far fetched or illogical. That is exactly how Russia has handled this before and they have no reason to stop.

I would suggest several possible reasons for the differences.

1. It was a one time offer to leave. Those that didnt volunteer in time were rounded up and sent elsewhere.
2. Limited space in the gulags.
3. They grabbed those that were assets or threats, and let the rest go.
4. Hostages. They took 1 from each family and said if you are caught in the fight your family gets dead. This could be 4b I guess.
5. The ones sent to Siberia were active participants in protest/sabotage/anti-Soviet activities and were rounded up.
6. Things werent going as well as Russia liked so they changed their minds on what to do with the civilians who werent as Pro Russian as they assumed they would be.

 

[volgr]

So Russia is controlling Kiev? They definitely attacked Kiev, right? They definitely massed quite a number of resources outside Kiev at one time to take it, right?

Did Russia obtain control of Kiev?

They attacked Kiev, they massed a force outside of Kiev, the never made it near the heart of Kiev itself. It now looks like that was more a show of force to try and force a quick Ukrainian surrender.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Now do the Tornado.

Ok let’s do it.

The US M270 MLRS has been in service since 1983.

The US M142 HIMARS has been in service since 2010.

Both launchers fire multiple types of munitions including the MGM-140 ATACMS which had been in service since 1991. This is the longest range missile at 300km with a published CEP of “a few meters”

The first variant of the 9A52 Tornado went in service in 2014. Until recently the longest range munition it could fire was 90km with a horrendous accuracy of like a half a mile until the 9M542 rocket came on the scene and is finally GLONASS capable and 120km range. They test fired a 200mm rocket which is supposed to have a 200km range supposedly around 2020. I haven’t seen anything stating it was operational yet.

So your trailer park trash country is 30+ years behind on rocket artillery development and their best attempt which is questionable if its even fielded has only 2/3 the range of a rocket we’ve had in service since 1991 and can hit a target with only a few meters error and have over 3500 stockpiled today.

So now you can screech “Nuh Uh!” Larry

Here are some public domain readily available data for you to cry over.

M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System - Wikipedia

M142 HIMARS - Wikipedia

MGM-140 ATACMS - Wikipedia

9A52-4 Tornado - Wikipedia

 

[NorthDallas40]

I hear Ukrainian soldiers are also surrendering or refusing to fight.

I have no doubt your talking points say just that Curly

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They attacked Kiev, they massed a force outside of Kiev, the never made it near the heart of Kiev itself. It now looks like that was more a show of force to try and force a quick Ukrainian surrender.

So Putin failed in getting Ukraine to surrender quickly, right?

The strategy to bully "big, bad Ukraine" into surrendering failed for Russia so now they're locked in a slogging proxy war in eastern Ukraine...... and you're saying Russia will come out of this emboldened?

You're delusional.

 

[LouderVol]

They attacked Kiev, they massed a force outside of Kiev, the never made it near the heart of Kiev itself. It now looks like that was more a show of force to try and force a quick Ukrainian surrender.

"Now" lol. It was a feint before, being used as a distraction for an attack that wouldnt happen until a month later in the far south. Now it was a show of force.

The times, they are a changing.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They attacked Kiev, they massed a force outside of Kiev, the never made it near the heart of Kiev itself. It now looks like that was more a show of force to try and force a quick Ukrainian surrender.

 

[LouderVol]

So Putin failed in getting Ukraine to surrender quickly, right?

The strategy to bully "big, bad Ukraine" into surrendering failed for Russia so now they're locked in a slogging proxy war in eastern Ukraine...... and you're saying Russia will come out of this emboldened?

You're delusional.

Apparently the Russians had the forces in place to end the war, but for whatever reason didnt take the quick easy victory. This was a show of force so that the Russians could get stuck in a months long war and inflict more casualties, and prove how strong they were to the world. At which end goal they are achieving total success looking like modern Genghis Khan.

 

[DonjoVol]

I have no doubt your talking points say just that Curly

Not talking points. It's the truth Proctor.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Not talking points. It's the truth Proctor.

I’m gonna go with that was the next statement on the talking points after the Ukraine desertion dumbassery Curly.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I completely disagree, so long as this doesn't escalate any further and remains only a proxy war in Ukraine. Russia will come out of this with a renewed confidence. They beat the West both militarily and economically.

Perhaps I misspoke with Ukraine being Putin's Vietnam. Let's call it "Czech 1968 Part II"

I was alive and almost of age when Russia and its minions rolled into Czechoslovakia in 1968. Did they put down the "Prague Spring?" Sure. Did they look like crap doing it? Yes. Did it weaken the bond of the USSR? Absolutely.

Even Putin has agreed it was mistake to roll into Czech territory. It began a process that started all the satellites of Russia thinking the USSR didn't have their best interests in mind.

Putin rolling into Ukraine is similar. Yeah, Russian influence in the region is at stake, just as it was in Czechoslovakia. Yeah, Ukraine's govt was leaning to the West like the Czechs were. Yeah, in the end Russia COULD take control in Ukraine as they did in Czechoslovakia in 1968.

The long game sucks as it did after 1968 for Russia.

In the mix now is that 2022 Russia isn't 1968 Russia and 2022 Eastern Europe is nowhere near 1968 Eastern Europe.

Putin has screwed up bigger than Brezhnev.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[volgr]

"Now" lol. It was a feint before, being used as a distraction for an attack that wouldnt happen until a month later in the far south. Now it was a show of force.

The times, they are a changing.

The show of force was part of the alleged feint. There is no change. Hard to pull of a feint without it.

 

[volgr]

The strategy to bully "big, bad Ukraine" into surrendering failed for Russia so now they're locked in a slogging proxy war in eastern Ukraine...... and you're saying Russia will come out of this emboldened?

You left out a key piece...locked in a slogging proxy war in eastern Ukraine that they are winning. If this ends with Russia holding southern and eastern Ukraine while demilitarizing not only Ukraine but NATO as well, this will be a HUGE win for Russia and yes, they will be emboldened.

 

[LouderVol]

The show of force was part of the alleged feint. There is no change. Hard to pull of a feint without it.

A feint implies it was never intended to achieve anything but a distraction. But you stated it was intended to bring Ukraine to its knees, that implies real intent.

Sounds like it was a show of force, that admittedly failed, that then turned into a feint to save face. And anyone paying attention knew that feint didnt work because there was no follow up attack to take immediate advantage of the feint. Meaning the show of force turned feint failed a second time.

I look forward to the next spin.