War in Ukraine

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

When is Russia going to finish this thing off anyway? You know, six months and counting pretty much dispels every thing you've been saying.

Okay, say Putin drops a rather tame by today's standards nuke on Kiev and a million or two people are killed and downtown Kiev is flattened.

Does the West, essentially the US, have an answer?

Looks like a win for Putin unless the US wants WWIII.

As this war is going, Putin is looking at Brezhnev in Afghanistan or Johnson in Vietnam or Bush in Iraq..... a war you can't leave as a winner, unless....... a mini nuke on Kiev.

From there, the CIA, the US, Europe..... have to decide if the Ukraine is worth WWIII. Are the various -stan countries? Do we actually fight for Romania?

Do we negotiate? Regardless of if it's Joe or Donald, do we want to play chicken with humanity over the Baltic States/Eastern Europe?

 

[FLVOL_79]

I'm not the one who said it was going to bring Russia to its knees. Pretty sure it was your pal Septic.

And what happened to that Kremlin coup?

Not sure. I just laugh at Russia being a terrible military and suffering catastrophic losses fighting a tiny ass country and showing the world how inept they are at every level.

 

[FLVOL_79]

When is Russia going to finish this thing off anyway? You know, six months and counting pretty much dispels every thing you've been saying.

3 days they will be in Kyiv bro!

Thats is Russian gulag guard dog years though..

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Not sure. I just laugh at Russia being a terrible military and suffering catastrophic losses fighting a tiny ass country and showing the world how inept they are at every level.

If you believe Russians are JUST facing Ukrainians I have some land in Longley Virginia for sale......

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Not sure. I just laugh at Russia being a terrible military and suffering catastrophic losses fighting a tiny ass country and showing the world how inept they are at every level.

What part of the Vietnam War did you miss?

Do you believe the US military faced only the North Vietnamese Army and had to abandon South Vietnam?

Like Vietnam, the Ukraine is a quagmire a major player stepped in.

 

[tvolsfan]

 

[MontyPython]

So much for the HIMARS being a game changer. Nothing has changed. As I predicted.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, yet you fail to even do that.

Sad.

Business Insider 8/25/22:

A 'game changer' weapon the US is now giving Ukraine began life as a battlefield terror in World War II

Newsweek 7/23/22:

HIMARS 'Game Changer' in Ukraine War, Russia 'in Dire Shape': Ex-General

The Hiill 7/10/22:

Ukraine defense chief says US rocket systems have been ‘game-changer’

 

[tvolsfan]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, yet you fail to even do that.

Sad.

Business Insider 8/25/22:

A 'game changer' weapon the US is now giving Ukraine began life as a battlefield terror in World War II

Newsweek 7/23/22:

HIMARS 'Game Changer' in Ukraine War, Russia 'in Dire Shape': Ex-General

The Hiill 7/10/22:

Ukraine defense chief says US rocket systems have been ‘game-changer’

He isn’t going to believe it until Putin admits it.

 

[volgr]

The only win they can claim is Snake Island.

They will say they pushed Russia out of Kiev as well, although most people with a functioning brain know that isnt true. Snake Island isnt even a win for them, just another piece of real estate they no longer have access to.

 

[volgr]

He isn’t going to believe it until Putin admits it.

I'll believe it when I see the game actually change.

 

[volgr]

It’s actually fact Larry. HIMARS rockets shoot farther and strike with better accuracy than anything in the Russian artillery inventory. Womp womp

M142 HIMARS: The US Artillery Tearing Into Russia in Ukraine | HistoryNet

Its payload is a pod of six M30/M31 GMLRS rockets, two PrSM missiles or a Lockheed Martin ATACMS missile. These surface-to-surface missiles are navigated by satellite and could travel up to 52 miles with a one-yard deviation to the target — a range and accuracy surpassing those of all its contemporaries. For comparison, the Russians’ Soviet-era BM-27 Uragan (“Hurricane”) 220 mm multiple rocket launcher has a range of 20 miles with a half-mile margin of error. Although it only holds one missile pod, rather than the two on the MLRS, the more agile HIMARS is designed to “shoot and scoot,” regularly changing positions at a speed of up to 53 mph — in addition to which it is air-portable.

Now do the Tornado.

 

[DonjoVol]

Not sure. I just laugh at Russia being a terrible military and suffering catastrophic losses fighting a tiny ass country and showing the world how inept they are at every level.

Ukraine isn't a tiny ass country and they have the largest military in Europe. Your handlers need to give you better information troll.

 

[norrislakevol]

Ukraine isn't a tiny ass country and they have the largest military in Europe. Your handlers need to give you better information troll.

They may have the largest army now, but before the conflict I don't think they did.

 

[DonjoVol]

They may have the largest army now, but before the conflict I don't think they did.

Yes they did

 

[LouderVol]

Blah blah blah. Same old nonsense and the usual denial every single time.

It's been well documented what the Ukrainian military has done in the Donbas. You and others refuse to believe it. Plus we had no business helping oust a democratically elected leader in Yanukovych in the first place.

McCain should have been playing golf in Scottsdale or trying to help secure the border instead of helping his pals in the military industrial complex.

Is literally the same argument you guys use about the Ukrainians. Human shields was even came up for the recent train strike.

I have never debated what Ukraine has done in the Donbas. All I have done is point out its been a two sided fight with russians bombing the Ukrainian side just as long as Ukraine had bombed Donbas. But as always you literally only believe the Ukrainians are capable of doing wrong.

Yano was elected after running on closer ties to the West. He got bought off by the Russians, even got a nice retirement mansion for it too, after he flipped sides. That pissed off the locals, he betrayed them if not committed treason, and they kicked him out.

" When I spoke to Yanukovych back in December 2008, he was determined: "We decided that our main goal will be integration in Europe at the first congress in 1997, and in all these years we not only never changed our program, we are even more convinced that Ukraine should be a part of Europe." The Ukrainian President's Big Broken Promise

 

[volgr]

Is literally the same argument you guys use about the Ukrainians. Human shields was even came up for the recent train strike.

I have never debated what Ukraine has done in the Donbas. All I have done is point out its been a two sided fight with russians bombing the Ukrainian side just as long as Ukraine had bombed Donbas. But as always you literally only believe the Ukrainians are capable of doing wrong.

Yano was elected after running on closer ties to the West. He got bought off by the Russians, even got a nice retirement mansion for it too, after he flipped sides. That pissed off the locals, he betrayed them if not committed treason, and they kicked him out.

" When I spoke to Yanukovych back in December 2008, he was determined: "We decided that our main goal will be integration in Europe at the first congress in 1997, and in all these years we not only never changed our program, we are even more convinced that Ukraine should be a part of Europe." The Ukrainian President's Big Broken Promise

Much like the US, Ukraine seems irrevocably divided. It should have been divided peacefully, but as history shows, that rarely happens.

 

[LouderVol]

Much like the US, Ukraine seems irrevocably divided. It should have been divided peacefully, but as history shows, that rarely happens.

Yes, usually countries are irrevocably divided when foreign troops occupy their land. There was zero discussion of separation from Ukraine, yet alone annexation into Russia before little green men kicked out the local government.

It's not like Scotland who keeps pushing for de-unification with the UK, Palestine with ongoing violence for decades, vietnam fighting against the colonizing french for decades. This was *poof* we are Russian now, and it has nothing to do with the soldiers holding guns directly over the voting booths. Even though the Donbas was a sizable majority Ukrainian and not Russian.

 

[volgr]

This was *poof* we are Russian now, and it has nothing to do with the soldiers holding guns directly over the voting booths. Even though the Donbas was a sizable majority Ukrainian and not Russian.

If this were true, you would have seen large revolts in Crimea over the last 8 years.

 

[LouderVol]

Ukraine isn't a tiny ass country and they have the largest military in Europe. Your handlers need to give you better information troll.

Largest military outside the Russians.

The russians who out number them at least 3:1 in infantry, 7:1 in armor, 15:1 in the sky, and navy of like 30:1. All before the war.

 

[DonjoVol]

Largest military outside the Russians.

The russians who out number them at least 3:1 in infantry, 7:1 in armor, 15:1 in the sky, and navy of like 30:1. All before the war.

It depends if you want to consider Russia part of Europe or Asia.

Anyways it isn't like Russia was invading a small country with a small military. Which is what FL Vol was claiming. Plus Russia isn't using anywhere close to their entire military force in the invasion.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[LouderVol]

If this were true, you would have seen large revolts in Crimea over the last 8 years.

You mean before or after the Russians depopulated it, this time, so they could move in even more Russians?

There were a number of protests with mass arrests. There have also been a number of sabotages as well, that the Russians try to sell as ammo spontaneously cooking off because of the 80 degree weather. You know the same ammo they use in Syrian summers and have no issues with.

 

[Velo Vol]

Thread.

 

[LouderVol]

It depends if you want to consider Russia part of Europe or Asia.

Anyways it isn't like Russia was invading a small country with a small military. Which is what FL Vol was claiming. Plus Russia isn't using anywhere close to their entire military force in the invasion.

Most of the Russian population still falls west of the continental divide, so I consider them European. Especially with the capital and something like 7/11 largest cities in the west.

That was my point, russia could use 1/3 of their forces and outnumber the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians have also had to spread out their forces. Russia has airdropped before, so ukraine undoubtedly has reserves scattered about. The russians have naval dominance and have done some amphimb landings on small islands, so the ukrainians undoubtedly have forces near their coastlines where there hasnt been as much fighting. Then you the border with Belarus where Russia has launched attacks from that must be defended. So it's not like the entire Ukrainian army is fighting in the south east against an isolated force of Russians.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

Is data explicitly from a group actively engaged on one side of the conflict reliable and unbiased?

I hate to break it to you, but 99.9% of all stuff posted on social media is biased in one way or another. Do I believe these numbers are accurate? No. Are they probably exaggerated? Yes, absolutely. But they do offer a starting point to put things into perspective. Even if they are exaggerated by a two to one ratio that would would mean Russia has lost more than 20,000 soldiers and more than 2000 pieces of military machinery. Whether or not Russia miscalculated in thinking that other countries would come to Ukraine's aid or just the will of the Ukrainians to fight, either way, Russia has lost face on the world stage. I don't know how this conflict will end. Russia will probably try to drag this out as long as it can hoping other countries will tire of supporting Ukraine and eventually Russia will be able to bleed them dry. Russia will claim a victory but everyone in the world with a mental capacity of a turnip or better, will know that Russia screwed the pooch on this one very badly.