War in Ukraine

[LSU-SIU]

Lol. You think that is the average Russians line of thinking? That may be the average politicians argument to justify their stranglehold on the country, but most Russians think about peace.

It also doesnt make sense, if you are trying to avoid a repeat of history, to do exactly what you did during the time you are trying to invade.

The Soviets invaded multiple neighbors to their west, bringing them closer to the enemy they are trying to avoid. Russia is invading a neighbor to their west, bringing them closer to the enemy they are alledgely trying to avoid.

It's a land grab. Putin has compared himself to the tsar who grabbed up the land of modern russia, peter I think, already.

Its exactly what JFK did with Cuba. LOL

Whether you like the strategy or not, that is their strategy and has been since they became a nuclear power. Seems logical to me, most of the nutjobs are actually in agreement here... Russia's army can't compete.

It's a land grab. Putin has compared himself to the tsar who grabbed up the land of modern russia, peter I think, already

Russia has no real ability to occupy large areas of land indefinitely without the will of the people in that area. Which is why they are now in the Ukraine. LOL

 

[LSU-SIU]

So they created the proxy war they were alledgely trying to avoid.

With what the US has done in the past did Putin really expect that the US wouldnt supply weapons? It's been our strategy for the same length of time of funding the anti soviet/russia fighters no matter where/who they are. Even to our own determinant. But we havent had to dissolve yet.

The proxy war was the Nato and allies working with the Ukraine against Russia. They simply invaded to stop expansion of Nato and the proxy war (with it nukes), so they have a place to land their tactical nukes.

With what the US has done in the past did Putin really expect that the US wouldnt supply weapons?

I would say sanctions were known, but not sure he envisioned the extent of the stupidity of Europe to go this far. However, that has now opened up the economic war on Germany/Europe. What Europe is doing is punching itself in the face.

The objective is now moving from Ukraine to Germany, and with it Europe. If it continues to escalate,, possible global reset.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[LouderVol]

They have plenty of dog crap to throw at the Ukraine. What's the cost of all this, not much... its right across the border.

The Ukraine is just another Afganistan for the West, they'll be asking for $100s of billions. Money pit.



And they will probably lose much more soldiers and 60 year tanks, so?

The cost to Europe in the form of economic damage is probably 10-20 fold.

You can't run a modern civilization on firewood, and serious doubt you have an economy at $1-2 KwH. (we shall see how it plays out)

Euro Dollar Exchange Rate - EUR/USD

The euro continues downward trend, which offers some clues. I would imagine people were placing bets at the end 2021. At the end of all economic output is the cost of input energy. I have no idea how this plays out, but it don't look good. Modern civilization runs off cheap credit and cheap energy, remove those and I'm not sure how you feed masses of people.

Reset happens, well, its hard to imagine how 7 billion get fed.

I imagine russian costs of war have also gone up in the intervening time from Afghanistan. At the very least it will cost them just as much as Afghanistan did in terms of both money and troops. And that didnt work out for Russia.

The economic war will play out the same as a real war. It ends when one side blinks, and there is very likely different thresholds each is willing to accept.

You are new to this thread so I will let you know I think Russia is winning the war. Without knowing their actual ends goals I wont say they will win, but they are winning. The question just comes down to cost. A proxy war is cheaper than a real war.

 

[LouderVol]

And that’s going to be a sticking point I’m guessing. I’ve said all along when Ukraine decides they want to end it and possibly cede some territory that’s their decision and no one else’s. But I’m guessing there are actors that will prod them to keep going, and I’d expect some of them will be ours.

Agreed. But they will still make that decision even with prodding. Someone in Ukraine could cap Zelensky and end this real quick if there was massive support for Russia or anti war. But they got invaded, this is their Pearl Harbor, I dont see them backing down any time soon.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You are new to this thread so I will let you know I think Russia is winning the war.

Winning is a subjective word. Ultimately, winning is destroying the Ukraine, is that happening? Yes. Either submit to reasonable conditions or we destroy it all. In that context, yes, they are winning.

Of course, Ukraine is irrelevant at this stage. You are worried about all this stupid troop movement like it matters, it didn't matter in Afghanistan or any other place the United States has been involved in. The war is now onto Germany and Europe, financially the price is heavy.... logically at this stage it makes sense for Russia to just let it cook and see what happens to Europe.

We don't know the final body count yet on Europe, its not going to be shooting war. Its only beginning.

I would suggest readying the ZH article I posted, they made the same observations.

- Ukraine lost... just an ongoing scam for US/europe to put money into a black hole
- Russia is taking losses but they are pretty insignificant
- Russia will just continue to allow the Ukraine to cook
- Russia moving it to an economic war against Germany/Europe in the hopes the people get real adults in charge
- Possibility of global reset seems to be more likely by the day

I really wish this was more complex, it just isn't.

Probably the stuff that is interesting is more the US and Britain alliance. Basically, its Britain's interest that German isn't the main power in the Europe.

Did The U.S. Provoke Russia Into Invading The Ukraine To Sabotage Nord Stream 2?

It’s also worth noting that this has been the “primordial interest” of Great Britain for far longer than it has been for the U.S.: to keep any one power or alliance of powers from dominating Continental Europe. That puts Britain’s enthusiasm for a policy that is wrecking Germany economically in a different light.

All of this potentially helps the US and Britain, of course, unless reset comes. Get them all to wreck each and profit.

I don't have to run faster than the Bear only faster than you. LOL

 

[NorthDallas40]

Agreed. But they will still make that decision even with prodding. Someone in Ukraine could cap Zelensky and end this real quick if there was massive support for Russia or anti war. But they got invaded, this is their Pearl Harbor, I dont see them backing down any time soon.

Yep. This stooge narrative that the Russians are being welcomed as some kind of liberators is laughable there is a mound of information to the contrary. I remember a poll posted showing that the majority opinion of the Ukrainian citizen is to not give up one inch of territory including Crimea. But we have to see if that sentiment will hold over time.

And Zelensky has done an amazing job if you look at his background. But hell I guess this is the role of a lifetime for an actor if you have the charisma to pull it off. As long as you have competent people advising you. Again time will tell.

 

[LouderVol]

Ukraine lost. How much Russia wins is still not known. The war has now moved onto Germany. Tracking to see which side takes the next pile of rubble seems kind of strange at this point. Did it matter what mountain the United States took in Afganstan? Nope.

Putin will continue to just send whoever in there, let it burn, eventually maybe he destroys the rest of the country and the infrastructure.

Again it all depends on how you define win. We have seen no solid goals from Russia.

At first it was bs about liberation, lol. They dropped that quick.
Then it was denazification, lol, regime change, and neutrality, lol. You dont invade Switzerland to keep them neutral.
Now it's the economic collapse of the west.

Russia's goals just get loftier and loftier. One of our major issues in our military actions have been scope creep and terribly defined strategic goals. Exactly what Russia is doing.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Winning is a subjective word. Ultimately, winning is destroying the Ukraine, is that happening? Yes. Either submit to reasonable conditions or we destroy it all. In that context, yes, they are winning.

Of course, Ukraine is irrelevant at this stage. You are worried about all this stupid troop movement like it matters, it didn't matter in Afghanistan or any other place the United States has been involved in. The war is now onto Germany and Europe, financially the price is heavy.... logically at this stage it makes sense for Russia to just let it cook and see what happens to Europe.

We don't know the final body count yet on Europe, its not going to be shooting war. Its only beginning.

I would suggest readying the ZH article I posted, they made the same observations.

- Ukraine lost... just an ongoing scam for US/europe to put money into a black hole
- Russia is taking losses but they are pretty insignificant
- Russia will just continue to allow the Ukraine to cook
- Russia moving it to an economic war against Germany/Europe in the hopes the people get real adults in charge
- Possibility of global reset seems to be more likely by the day

I really wish this was more complex, it just isn't.

Probably the stuff that is interesting is more the US and Britain alliance. Basically, its Britain's interest that German isn't the main power in the Europe.

Did The U.S. Provoke Russia Into Invading The Ukraine To Sabotage Nord Stream 2?



All of this potentially helps the US and Britain, of course, unless reset comes. Get them all to wreck each and profit.

I don't have to run faster than the Bear only faster than you. LOL

So that’s like what four zerohedge opinion pieces “supporting” your idiotic narrative. Zerohedge - the Russian propagandist’s propaganda goto site to try and not pass info off as Russian state media

 

[LSU-SIU]

Again it all depends on how you define win. We have seen no solid goals from Russia.

At first it was bs about liberation, lol. They dropped that quick.
Then it was denazification, lol, regime change, and neutrality, lol. You dont invade Switzerland to keep them neutral.
Now it's the economic collapse of the west.

Russia's goals just get loftier and loftier. One of our major issues in our military actions have been scope creep and terribly defined strategic goals. Exactly what Russia is doing.

Seems pretty simple, wreck the Ukraine until they bend the knee or there isn't anything else to wreck. That's more or less done, new objective opened... wreck Germany economically until they bend the knee. We'll see how it plays out over the next couple of years. Very little risk to Russia with potential large reward.

Your Ukrainian friends can go take that pile of rubble here and there, but in the big scheme of things... nothing is going to change. American soldiers probably retook the same pile of rocks repeatedly in Afghanistan, so? They eventually had to run to get on those C-17s.

The only areas Russia can maintain long-term is areas where the people want them there. Its mostly about destroying it all.... turn it to piles of rubble. They seem pretty good at it to be honest.

 

[MontyPython]

Reuters:

The Ukrainian military on Monday started a long-awaited counter-offensive against Russian forces in the country's south, its southern command said on Monday.

Command spokesperson Natalia Humeniuk confirmed the offensive in a news briefing and said it included the Kherson region.

 

[tvolsfan]

Seems pretty simple, wreck the Ukraine until they bend the knee or there isn't anything else to wreck. That's more or less done, new objective opened... wreck Germany economically until they bend the knee. We'll see how it plays out over the next couple of years. Very little risk to Russia with potential large reward.

Your Ukrainian friends can go take that pile of rubble here and there, but in the big scheme of things... nothing is going to change. American soldiers probably retook the same pile of rocks repeatedly in Afghanistan, so? They eventually had to run to get on those C-17s.

The only areas Russia can maintain long-term is areas where the people want them there. Its mostly about destroying it all.... turn it to piles of rubble. They seem pretty good at it to be honest.

You’re bragging about Russia being able to blow up land Putin thinks belongs to him?

 

[tvolsfan]

Reuters:

The Ukrainian military on Monday started a long-awaited counter-offensive against Russian forces in the country's south, its southern command said on Monday.

Command spokesperson Natalia Humeniuk confirmed the offensive in a news briefing and said it included the Kherson region.

All is well in Russki land.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You’re bragging about Russia being able to blow up land Putin thinks belongs to him?

Or more like simple obvious observations.

You can get mad and angry but its not going to change anything. You can even try a safe space.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[tvolsfan]

Or more like simple obvious observations.

You can get mad and angry but its not going to change anything. You can even try a safe space.

Awww... is someone clinging to the usual rhetoric when your other points aren't working?

Russian propaganda can't even keep their stories straight. This whole invasion has been embarrassing, strategic failure. The only people who don't see it are those on the extreme left and far right. Congrats! You and Chomsky hold hands in idiocy.

 

[MontyPython]

Take these types of tweets w a grain of salt...

 

[MontyPython]

"Ukrops (deragotory for Ukrainian) are ******* with everything possible, broke through 1st line of defense, they are shooting with tanks, aviation, artillery, 29th August"

<video ends>

 

[LSU-SIU]

Awww... is someone clinging to the usual rhetoric when your other points aren't working?

Its 95% simple observation, not points. LOL

Russian propaganda can't even keep their stories straight. This whole invasion has been embarrassing, strategic failure. The only people who don't see it are those on the extreme left and far right. Congrats! You and Chomsky hold hands in idiocy.

There is no story. Destroy Ukraine until they bend a knee, keep throwing dog **** at it. In the meantime, the real war is onto Germany. The Ukraine is pretty much rubble and irrelevant.
I'm very confused by the NPCs here.

What story? LOL You are don't appear to be reading what I am writing, or failing to grasp very simple observations.

This whole invasion has been embarrassing, strategic failure.

Seems pretty successful to me, throw dog **** and destroy it until they bend a knew or there isn't anything left. Straight forward objective, well on its way to completion.

This isn't a stupid United States nation building exercise.

 

[tvolsfan]

Its 95% simple observation, not points. LOL



There is no story. Destroy Ukraine until they bend a knee, keep throwing dog **** at it. In the meantime, the real war is onto Germany. The Ukraine is pretty much rubble and irrelevant.
I'm very confused by the NPCs here.

What story? LOL You are don't appear to be reading what I am writing, or failing to grasp very simple observations.

Well we have observed the Russian army being pushed out of Kyiv and we are observing Ukraine launching a counter attack. And of course, we have observed Russia begging Iran and North Korea for help.

Good luck in Germany, though.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Well we have observed the Russian army be pushed out of Kyiv and we are observing Ukraine launching a counter attack.

Good luck in Germany?

That's an obvious observation. LOL

Well we have observed the Russian army be pushed out of Kyiv and we are observing Ukraine launching a counter attack.

Oh yeah, that is an observation but just an irrelevant one. They'll be fighting over various rubble and hills for a long time to come. Its a repeat of Afghanistan.

 

[tvolsfan]

That's an obvious observation. LOL

You would think so.

 

[MontyPython]

 

[tvolsfan]

Liberating Kherson is being mean to Russia.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Liberating Kherson is being mean to Russia.

Bombing their own people on a bridge is quite funny or the suggestion. LOL I love this ****.

 

[Velo Vol]

How deranged and susceptible to propaganda do you have to be to think that Russia is as strong as ever but the West/Europe/America is about to collapse?

If this was the only place you got your "news" I could see it happening.