War in Ukraine

If this was the only place you got your "news" I could see it happening.




Well, the Germans couldn't see the problem even with it was pointed out to them directly, they apparently watch the nightly news. The Germans apparently have it all figure it out in their super duper secret economic plan.

White people are going to go extinct, dumb as rocks.

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These guys have it all figured out. LOL Obviously, they needed to build another million windmills.
 
What does it mean for a country/continent to be "meaningless"? This is gibberish.

Its meaningless to the world as the outcome is over, its destroyed. Its like talking about Afghanistan, everyone got their money out of it... its meaningless.

You actually think people care about the Ukraine? They care about as much as they do about Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraqi, etc.

Russia is moving the war to an economic war, please see ZH article. Same thing I said, its quite obvious where this is going. We'll have to see how this plays out, the Ukraine is irrelevant and meaningless. It is or soon will be just rubble.
 
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The introduction of our fourth gibberish speaking stooge has reinvigorated the stooge collective and at least for now it appears there are no limits to their dumbassery. Should be some quality must see TV 😂
Should keep you busy Proctor. You got someone else you can troll and curse out now.
 
Because before their agreement they had their nukes in the Ukraine. LOL

Russia has constantly said WW2 isn't going to happen, meaning there might be a WW3, but those Nazis aren't coming over the border. Same thing they said 70 years ago, same thing they said 30 years ago. The strategy isn't new, it is way pre-Putin. The ongoing proxy **** in the Ukraine eventually was the straw that broke the back. If anything, Russia probably should have moved years ago.

Cuba had no ability to invade the United States either, so?
we were mistaken to go after Cuba. I am not the exceptionalism you are. There can be two bad guys, or more, in my world.

In order to.avoid WWII they are facing a WWI situation. It really seems like their strategy is flawed. Or at least the execution of it is. To me it doesnt seem to be an improvement to avoid 20-30 million dead in Russia by getting 20-30 million dead in Russia from a long, drawn out fight instead of a quick moving one. And the flaw of them repeating the Molotov Ribbentroff agreement and trying to move their border west doesnt speak well to avoiding WW2.

If they wanted a neutral middle ground they should have worked with their freed neighbors to set up their own alliance, free of the west or Russia. Instead russia played the game of absolutes and lost.

Fine if the invasion wasnt 89/91 it could have been 95 after ukraine gave up the nukes. Not sure what difference nukes being Ukraine vs not matters. Russia has nukes capable of hitting washington with or without Ukraine. Their nukes are powerful enough, blast area, where the delay between a tactical and a ICBM is negligible. You want to nuke an army you are still going to be able to do that from a few more hundred kilometers away. Yeah MAYBE one division may get away but no way for an entire army to get away. And then you have still irritated the area denying it to an enemy.

They want to be king of their sandlot, nothing more nothing less. The nukes are a convient excuse that doesnt really matter.
 
I've been watching for that since 2008 when we decided to solve a debt crisis with more debt.

The ability to print away the problems seems to have reached their end. You can't print oil, you can't print gas, you can't print food, you can't print fertilizer, etc.

I'm not saying that will happen, only that its obvious that is a potential outcome and it looks like where everything is moving.
 
Wow. Disappears with bad news for Russia. Stays gone for a while. Only comes back with good news for Russia.

Keep pretending you care about the truth.
It might not have necessarily been you. But your Ukrainian troll pals went on and on how all this would bring Russia back to the dark ages, bring them to their knees, Kremlin coup, Putin's blood cancer and Parkinsons, Lukashenko needs listerine, Himars, blah blah blah, etc etc.

Some of us tried being reasonable. Perhaps you should start listening to us who are actually trying to be reasonable and using common sense.
 
The United States/Europe left in quite a hurry, exactly what objective was won? Nothing. Well, other than the defense contracts to throw money into a black hole. Rinse and repeat.

There doesn't seem to be a good outcome option for the Ukraine, it lost i.e. destruction. So, the money is going there to do what? Blow it up some more I guess.

As I said last night, Putin is a cooler customer than me. I would have carpet bombed Kiev a long time ago.

There is no winning for the Ukraine, their grand prize is a pile of rubble.
But it's their pile of rubble. That may be a fight worth having for them. Especially as many Ukrainians remember what the Russians have done to their particular pile of rubble in the past and really dont want to trade freedom for peace. It's funny how self determination only applies to one side.

Our invasion of Afghanistan is a completely separate case from us supplying the fight against the soviets. We got kicked out because of exactly what Russia is doing now. Sitting there and occupying territory against a foe that hasnt surrendered, while foreign weapons pour in, and nation building behind it.
 
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In order to.avoid WWII they are facing a WWI situation. It really seems like their strategy is flawed. Or at least the execution of it is. To me it doesnt seem to be an improvement to avoid 20-30 million dead in Russia by getting 20-30 million dead in Russia from a long, drawn out fight instead of a quick moving one. And the flaw of them repeating the Molotov Ribbentroff agreement and trying to move their border west doesnt speak well to avoiding WW2.

Sure it does, foreigners (military) are not going to go through the area in mass as tactical nukes will be used. 20-30m Russians are not going to die in the Ukraine... that whole place will look like a parking lot within 6-12 months.
 
Its exactly what JFK did with Cuba. LOL

Whether you like the strategy or not, that is their strategy and has been since they became a nuclear power. Seems logical to me, most of the nutjobs are actually in agreement here... Russia's army can't compete.



Russia has no real ability to occupy large areas of land indefinitely without the will of the people in that area. Which is why they are now in the Ukraine. LOL
What does your last mean? They dont have the will of the people in Ukraine. We saw no massive support at the start, we are seeing sabotage, spying/spotting, none of the areas they have invaded were even a majority of ethnic Russians.
 
we were mistaken to go after Cuba. I am not the exceptionalism you are. There can be two bad guys, or more, in my world.

In order to.avoid WWII they are facing a WWI situation. It really seems like their strategy is flawed. Or at least the execution of it is. To me it doesnt seem to be an improvement to avoid 20-30 million dead in Russia by getting 20-30 million dead in Russia from a long, drawn out fight instead of a quick moving one. And the flaw of them repeating the Molotov Ribbentroff agreement and trying to move their border west doesnt speak well to avoiding WW2.

If they wanted a neutral middle ground they should have worked with their freed neighbors to set up their own alliance, free of the west or Russia. Instead russia played the game of absolutes and lost.

Fine if the invasion wasnt 89/91 it could have been 95 after ukraine gave up the nukes. Not sure what difference nukes being Ukraine vs not matters. Russia has nukes capable of hitting washington with or without Ukraine. Their nukes are powerful enough, blast area, where the delay between a tactical and a ICBM is negligible. You want to nuke an army you are still going to be able to do that from a few more hundred kilometers away. Yeah MAYBE one division may get away but no way for an entire army to get away. And then you have still irritated the area denying it to an enemy.

They want to be king of their sandlot, nothing more nothing less. The nukes are a convient excuse that doesnt really matter.

World War 2? Checking in to make sure that I haven't woken up in an alternate dimension were WW2 never happened.
 
But it's their pile of rubble. That may be a fight worth having for them. Especially as many Ukrainians remember what the Russians have done to their particular pile of rubble in the past and really dont want to trade freedom for peace. It's funny how self determination only applies to one side.

Our invasion of Afghanistan is a completely separate case from us supplying the fight against the soviets. We got kicked out because of exactly what Russia is doing now. Sitting there and occupying territory against a foe that hasnt surrendered, while foreign weapons pour in, and nation building behind it.

You are working under the assumption Russia wants to keep land, they will only keep land where the people want them there. Its pretty clear what they are doing.... destroy it. <---- this isn't a nation building exercise. They are escalating as the other side escalates.... most of the infrastructure is still in place and Kiev. How much is left in 6-12 months... probably not much.

Throw dog crap until Ukraine doesn't exist.

The other side is like the same ole thing.... send money/send equipment into a black hole until the masses back home figure out the scam. Which is a repeat of the previous scam.
 
Seems pretty simple, wreck the Ukraine until they bend the knee or there isn't anything else to wreck. That's more or less done, new objective opened... wreck Germany economically until they bend the knee. We'll see how it plays out over the next couple of years. Very little risk to Russia with potential large reward.

Your Ukrainian friends can go take that pile of rubble here and there, but in the big scheme of things... nothing is going to change. American soldiers probably retook the same pile of rocks repeatedly in Afghanistan, so? They eventually had to run to get on those C-17s.

The only areas Russia can maintain long-term is areas where the people want them there. Its mostly about destroying it all.... turn it to piles of rubble. They seem pretty good at it to be honest.

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They have destroyed the east where the russians are. Most of Ukraine is fine. Heck that was the argument one of the three were making here about Kievians going to the river beach in their own city. They're slavs, they are willing to tolerate a lot in the face of an outside threat. Germany and the west are not, so it wouldnt suprise me at all to see Ukraine outlast their support from most of the EU.

This war is as bloody as Russia makes it.
 
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World War 2? Checking in to make sure that I haven't woken up in an alternate dimension were WW2 never happened.
The russian argument is they dont want another WW2 event of Germany pushing into Russia.

My argument is they are stepping backwards and not forwards, and are directly repeating events that lead up to the situation they want to avoid.
 
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Curious. Do you want Russia to win this war? Yes or no?
No. I want Russia and Ukraine to find a peaceful solution. I've said that before.

I also have enough common sense to know that the U.S. should have never gotten involved in the foreign affairs of Ukraine and that way too much money aid is being wasted there.

Curious. Do you honestly believe everything you share in this thread from the supposed "mainstream" outlets.
 
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Its 95% simple observation, not points. LOL



There is no story. Destroy Ukraine until they bend a knee, keep throwing dog **** at it. In the meantime, the real war is onto Germany. The Ukraine is pretty much rubble and irrelevant.
I'm very confused by the NPCs here.

What story? LOL You are don't appear to be reading what I am writing, or failing to grasp very simple observations.



Seems pretty successful to me, throw dog **** and destroy it until they bend a knew or there isn't anything left. Straight forward objective, well on its way to completion.

This isn't a stupid United States nation building exercise.
Throwing dog crap at Ukraine and destroying the countryside and Germany were never the goals. Which is exactly his point.
 
Its meaningless to the world as the outcome is over, its destroyed. Its like talking about Afghanistan, everyone got their money out of it... its meaningless.

You actually think people care about the Ukraine? They care about as much as they do about Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Iraqi, etc.

Russia is moving the war to an economic war, please see ZH article. Same thing I said, its quite obvious where this is going. We'll have to see how this plays out, the Ukraine is irrelevant and meaningless. It is or soon will be just rubble.
Russia could keep up the economic war without being at war with Ukraine. They could have cut the oil whenever. There wont be anything changing unless there is peace.
 
They have destroyed the east where the russians are. Most of Ukraine is fine. Heck that was the argument one of the three were making here about Kievians going to the river beach in their own city. They're slavs, they are willing to tolerate a lot in the face of an outside threat. Germany and the west are not, so it wouldnt suprise me at all to see Ukraine outlast their support from most of the EU.

This war is as bloody as Russia makes it.

I see the exact opposite, no negotiations and Russia will just continue.... at this point it doesn't make sense for Russia to negotiate for the short-term i.e. Germany. If they wanted it bloody they could have carpet bombed Kiev long ago.

I would recommend reading the ZH article including some of the comments from Dmitry Medvedev, seems logical to me. The Russian keep telling everyone what they are going to do, most of this is very obvious.
 

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