War in Ukraine

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Fortunately Russia has its ally Syria to rely on to get them through their much harder times.

Don’t forget Iran!

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

As of 8/31/2022

 

[NorthDallas40]

Tactical victories dont really matter if they dont help accomplish strategic goals. It's that type of thinking that has involved in every pit of vipers and nothing good ever comes of it. If we dont have real, achievable strategic goals for the military, we shouldnt be there. We made afghanistan a no win situation for ourselves.

That fault lies squarely on the civilian leadership though. We can win every single battle yet if we can’t manage to get the people we help to manage and protect their newly established government then it just caves when we leave. This is exactly what happened in Afghanistan.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Anyone got anymore of those sanctions.

They're just starting to make the rounds across Europe. 4-8X in the UK

(more sanctions and more wind mills)

 

[Sandman 423]

Winning wars is not about exiting under your terms, its about completing objectives.



Oh, you can lose wars by not have realistic objectives or having a failed or no strategy to complete the objectives. That's called losing.

We're back to the, I "could have" won the war, I just "didn't want to" win the war. LOL

Kramer Bets Jerry - Seinfeld

That is Champions of Life material.

We accomplished every military objective we set out to do. We won the "war" in Afghanistan. We failed at the nation building. Are you going to declare Iraq a loss when it falls in the next couple of years?

As far as Vietnam, If you don't understand what happened there, then debating it with you is nugatory.

 

[LSU-SIU]

We accomplished every military objective we set out to do. We won the "war" in Afghanistan. We failed at the nation building. Are you going to declare Iraq a loss when it falls in the next couple of years?

Huh, that was the objective (nation building), it was a failure. The government basically fell in what 24 hours. The other objective was to remove the terrorist groups, that failed to. Some of them are running the country. LOL Loss.

As far as Vietnam, If you don't understand what happened there, then debating it with you is a lost cause.

No major objectives were complete, the North invaded and took over and won. Loss.

"We" won the stupid dumb whitey gets killed award for no reason award and apparently the Champions of Life of award.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Huh, that was the objective (nation building), it was a failure. The government basically fell in what 24 hours. The other objective was to remove the terrorist groups, that failed to. Some of them are running the country. LOL Loss.



No major objectives were complete, the North invaded and took over and won. Loss.

"We" won the stupid dumb whitey gets killed award for no reason award and apparently the Champions of Life of award.

Sorry for the copyright infringement @apevol. After much searching I believe we have found the Monarch of the Strawmen. This dude is undefeated in arguments he makes up and dunks on

 

[LouderVol]

Danzig was a majority German city at that time. What is it today? And you post this tweet about ethnic cleansing and don't realize how silly you sound right now.

Lol. Danzig was 98% german in 1938, it was still 98% german when the nazis moved in. There was no pre-war cleansing. Now you want to talk about what happened to Germans AFTER the war, go ahead. But pre war was all bs false flag Nazi propaganda.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Maybe Europe should go to Putin and 3elensky and sue for peace instead of throwing more weapons and sanctions at the problem, because obviously that isn't working. Leave the Americans and Brits out of the negotiations.

Just noticed the person tweeting this has the Ukraine flag emoji. I wonder if they will connect the dots...

The two signatories of the Budapest Memorandum who committed to aid for Ukraine when the fourth signatory invaded them huh? Sounds legit.

 

[LouderVol]

That fault lies squarely on the civilian leadership though. We can win every single battle yet if we can’t manage to get the people we help to manage and protect their newly established government then it just caves when we leave. This is exactly what happened in Afghanistan.

Yes, which is a strategic defeat. We wanted to established a democracy in Afghanistan. We hung around that long so that theoretically they would have a chance to stabilize before we left. They didnt. That's defeat even if our military didnt lose.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes, which is a strategic defeat. We wanted to established a democracy in Afghanistan. We hung around that long so that theoretically they would have a chance to stabilize before we left. They didnt. That's defeat even if our military didnt lose.

I don’t disagree on that my inference here by the new intellectual is we’ve been suffering military defeats we’ve done no such thing. But we absolutely suck at nation building.

 

[Firebirdparts]

I will just mention that after 9/11, one of the very first things that George Bush said was that we would NOT stay around for 20 years to occupy the middle east. This was at a presser before we actually attacked. And I don't think you can have that attitude, but I realize the public doesn't go along with the forever occupiers attitude. There's no good way to do it. I was very discouraged by that, some 21 years ago almost.

I always tell people, we occupy Germany and Japan TODAY. They can argue, but it's important to give them enough shock to consider exactly what are we doing TODAY 75 years after world war 2. If people at least try to figure out where the USA military is stationed overseas right now, they can at least try to guess why. Nation building is really pretty much impossible. You can never be sure. Human nature is always out to get you. It's not because somebody is a republican and somebody else is a democrat, either. That kind of means to explain it is truly only satisfying for idiots.

 

[hog88]

I will just mention that after 9/11, one of the very first things that George Bush said was that we would NOT stay around for 20 years to occupy the middle east. This was at a presser before we actually attacked. And I don't think you can have that attitude, but I realize the public doesn't go along with the forever occupiers attitude. There's no good way to do it. I was very discouraged by that, some 21 years ago almost.

I always tell people, we occupy Germany and Japan TODAY. They can argue, but it's important to give them enough shock to consider exactly what are we doing TODAY 75 years after world war 2. If people at least try to figure out where the USA military is stationed overseas right now, they can at least try to guess why. Nation building is really pretty much impossible. You can never be sure. Human nature is always out to get you. It's not because somebody is a republican and somebody else is a democrat, either. That kind of means to explain it is truly only satisfying for idiots.

We built 2 defeated nations after WWII so it's doable with an educated and civilized populace.

 

[Sandman 423]

Yes, which is a strategic defeat. We wanted to established a democracy in Afghanistan. We hung around that long so that theoretically they would have a chance to stabilize before we left. They didnt. That's defeat even if our military didnt lose.

I don't remember that being the war cry.

 

[Hunerwadel]

As of 8/31/2022

They really should add ammo dumps to this.

 

[Sandman 423]

We built 2 defeated nations after WWII so it's doable with an educated and civilized populace.

I think what makes the middle east unique is that they just don't seem to care if they are free. Even the ones that do don't want to fight for it.

 

[landscapingvol]

Huh, that was the objective (nation building), it was a failure. The government basically fell in what 24 hours. The other objective was to remove the terrorist groups, that failed to. Some of them are running the country. LOL Loss.



No major objectives were complete, the North invaded and took over and won. Loss.

"We" won the stupid dumb whitey gets killed award for no reason award and apparently the Champions of Life of award.

Your knowledge of history is astonishing, Vietcong was a spent force after TET but you clearly already knew that. We gave the people of Iraq and Afghanistan every chance to succeed. It’s on them and US political leaders not the US military.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Your knowledge of history is astonishing, Vietcong was a spent force after TET but you clearly already knew that. We gave the people of Iraq and Afghanistan every chance to succeed. It’s on them and US political leaders not the US military.

1. YOu are under the false impression those people might want what you want.
2. This lead to objectives which were never going to be accomplished, the strategies were never going to work as the objective was unattainable, see 1.
3. This eventually lead to a lose as the objectives were failures.

No, its on you, and the other stupid andor greedy white people. They didn't need your help. Matter of fact, the United States after $2+t caused it to fall in what about 24 hours, that wasn't happening before the U.S. showed up.

Its rinse and repeat since the time of the crusades. Losses. How many times did you get your penis stuck in your zipper before you learned your lesson? My guess, quite a few.

 

[Hunerwadel]

1. YOu are under the false impression those people might want what you want.
2. This lead to objectives which were never going to be accomplished, the strategies were never going to work as the objective was unattainable, see 1.
3. This eventually lead to a lose as the objectives were failures.

No, its on you, and the other stupid andor greedy white people. They didn't need your help. Matter of fact, the United States after $2+t caused it to fall in what about 24 hours, that wasn't happening before the U.S. showed up.

Its rinse and repeat since the time of the crusades. Losses. How many times did you get your penis stuck in your zipper before you learned your lesson? My guess, quite a few.

You keep going on about stupid and or greedy white people. How do you describe yourself?

 

[DonjoVol]

You are really going to be upset that donjo said the same thing about other posters here. But mental illness and all

I never called anyone mentally ill. That is a tactic you and your pals often use. I usually try and use some form of professionalism and respect in my posts.

 

[volfanhill]

Sorry for the copyright infringement @apevol. After much searching I believe we have found the Monarch of the Strawmen. This dude is undefeated in arguments he makes up and dunks on


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You should see the gems he posted about Will Wade and LSU firing him. He's a waste of time.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You keep going on about stupid and or greedy white people. How do you describe yourself?

Well, I can't say I'm not a stupid white person, I can say I stopped listening to stupid white people. Luckily I made some wise choice and got out when I could, I could have been one of those stupid dead white people over there.

White people look like they are on a suicide mission to me.

 

[landscapingvol]

1. YOu are under the false impression those people might want what you want.
2. This lead to objectives which were never going to be accomplished, the strategies were never going to work as the objective was unattainable, see 1.
3. This eventually lead to a lose as the objectives were failures.

No, its on you, and the other stupid andor greedy white people. They didn't need your help. Matter of fact, the United States after $2+t caused it to fall in what about 24 hours, that wasn't happening before the U.S. showed up.

Its rinse and repeat since the time of the crusades. Losses. How many times did you get your penis stuck in your zipper before you learned your lesson? My guess, quite a few.

You typed words but that is about it

 

[LSU-SIU]

You typed words but that is about it

That's cool, I put you on my ban list... problem solved on my end. (Have a nice life or whatever it is you do)