War in Ukraine

[Burhead]

Armenia today invoked the CSTO's Article 4 regarding mutual defense due to the continued fighting between them and Azerbaijan. Going to be interesting to see how Russia responds here. If they don't do anything or a lighthearted response they risk losing influence in their few remaining partners. If they push too hard it risks upsetting Azerbaijan's two biggest allies in Turkey and Israel. This also highlights the stupidity of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, they don't have a lot of wriggle room to send forces to other hot spots like this now.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russia isn't going to be destroyed, maybe at best Putin is tossed out of office (or a window) and Russia exposed as a 3rd rate power but they're not going to be destroyed. Europe should be picking up the tab for this, not us.

BBC article, so we know this is 100% true... Putin is fine. Or, would you prefer the communists to take over?

Russia election: Putin's party wins election marred by fraud claims

With more than 99% of votes counted, United Russia's closest rival, the Communist Party, had about 19% of the vote, according to the election commission.

United Russia's victory means it will have more than two-thirds of the 450 seats in the country's parliament, officials say.

However, despite easily retaining its majority in parliament, the party did lose some ground. In 2016, the party won 54% of the vote.

 

[hog88]

BBC article, so we know this is 100% true... Putin is fine. Or, would you prefer the communists to take over?

Russia election: Putin's party wins election marred by fraud claims

With more than 99% of votes counted, United Russia's closest rival, the Communist Party, had about 19% of the vote, according to the election commission.

United Russia's victory means it will have more than two-thirds of the 450 seats in the country's parliament, officials say.

However, despite easily retaining its majority in parliament, the party did lose some ground. In 2016, the party won 54% of the vote.

I don't put any faith in the reported election results coming out of Russia and it really wouldn't matter if the communist party did take over, there isn't a nickles worth of difference between the Putin dictatorship and communist rule.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Hes turning himself into a liability for Putin

Oh, this should be interesting. Tell me more. What has he done?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Armenia today invoked the CSTO's Article 4 regarding mutual defense due to the continued fighting between them and Azerbaijan. Going to be interesting to see how Russia responds here. If they don't do anything or a lighthearted response they risk losing influence in their few remaining partners. If they push too hard it risks upsetting Azerbaijan's two biggest allies in Turkey and Israel. This also highlights the stupidity of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, they don't have a lot of wriggle room to send forces to other hot spots like this now.

Russia isn't the only player in all of this. Russia, France and the US are behind Armenia, while Turkey, Iran and wait for it... Russia are behind Azerbaijan. In other words, Russia has good relations with both sides. Also, as you can see, this is a rather convoluted group of allies on each side of this. Turkey is NATO, yet has strained relations with the group as of late and has been working closely with Russia recently. The US and France are obviously working against Russia in the Ukraine affair.

I think this would be a perfect opportunity to put a full court effort on the diplomatic side of things.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I don't put any faith in the reported election results coming out of Russia and it really wouldn't matter if the communist party did take over, there isn't a nickles worth of difference between the Putin dictatorship and communist rule.

And here you go showing your ignorance and/or bigotry again. Gennady Zyuganov, the leader of the communist party is more of a hardliner and hawk than Putin. If you really can't see the clearly difference in terms of policy and economic philosophy between Putin and the communists, then you either are not paying attention or your bigotry/bias blinds you judgement.

Russian Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov: ‘The special military operation in Ukraine has escalated into a full-scale war’ — Meduza

 

[LSU-SIU]

And those same 30 years have been Ukraine making it clear they arent under the Russian thumb

So, the Ukraine is admitting they did not work in good faith under the agreements for 30 years but they want to sign new agreements? LOL

Than it shouldn't be a surprise that Russian forces are there.

I'm not sure what the point of most of your posts are, most of them are contrary to other posts, imo.

 

[hog88]

And here you go showing your ignorance and/or bigotry again. Gennady Zyuganov, the leader of the communist party is more of a hardliner and hawk than Putin. If you really can't see the clearly difference in terms of policy and economic philosophy between Putin and the communists, then you either are not paying attention or your bigotry/bias blinds you judgement.

Russian Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov: ‘The special military operation in Ukraine has escalated into a full-scale war’ — Meduza

I’m not paying attention. Don’t really care about Russian politics.

 

[apevol]

Oh, this should be interesting. Tell me more. What has he done?

hes openly criticizing the Russian military

 

[FLVOL_79]

I’m not paying attention. Don’t really care about Russian politics.

Cuz you're an American.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I’m not paying attention. Don’t really care about Russian politics.

Then you admit you comment about Putin's party vs the communist party were based on ignorance rather than bigotry. That makes me feel a bit better.

 

[Burhead]

Russia isn't the only player in all of this. Russia, France and the US are behind Armenia, while Turkey, Iran and wait for it... Russia are behind Azerbaijan. In other words, Russia has good relations with both sides. Also, as you can see, this is a rather convoluted group of allies on each side of this. Turkey is NATO, yet has strained relations with the group as of late and has been working closely with Russia recently. The US and France are obviously working against Russia in the Ukraine affair.

I think this would be a perfect opportunity to put a full court effort on the diplomatic side of things.

Iran is not backing Azerbaijan not sure where you got that from. They have had a tense relationship for awhile now due to the close ties with Israel. In fact they may have been backing Armenia behind the scenes during the last war if you believe Turkish and Azerbaijani sources.

 

[hog88]

Then you admit you comment about Putin's party vs the communist party were based on ignorance rather than bigotry. That makes me feel a bit better.

I'll admit that I'm pretty damn bigoted against Putin. The world and Russia would be much better off if he was taking a dirt nap.

Think about this for a second, the Russian people lived under a brutal communist regime for almost 70 years and still 20% (reported) of the voters want them over Putin. That should tell you something.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

hes openly criticizing the Russian military

It deserved some criticism. He didn't lie. But at the same time, Russia is fighting this with certain limitations up until this weekend. Until now, they have tried to avoid going after civilian infrastructure. Plus, because it is considered a "special military operation" and not a war, then it has placed limits on the amount of military assets are at their disposal. Russia could have very well turned everything from Kyiv to Donbas into Grozny 2001 if they wanted to. And we certainly know that had the US been in the same situation, they would have done the same on Day 1.

 

[Velo Vol]

Must have found some Nazi cows.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Germany Weighs Nationalizing Uniper To Avert 'Lehman-Like Contagion' As Energy Crisis Worsens

"Nationalisation is the only solution left, Uniper's capital resources are totally under water. Mathematically speaking, there is nothing else that could be done," a source close to the matter told Reuters.

For everyone that hates the old USSR 1980s model, sure seems like Europe is hell bent on getting there. Someone should tell them they haven't even entered the bad times, supply still exists. None of this is addressing their problems with is going to be supply long-term.

Germans better start clearing out those caves.

Replay of 1930-1945 on deck? Mass depopulation of Europe while the UK and the United States try and benefit.

 

[apevol]

It deserved some criticism. He didn't lie. But at the same time, Russia is fighting this with certain limitations up until this weekend. Until now, they have tried to avoid going after civilian infrastructure. Plus, because it is considered a "special military operation" and not a war, then it has placed limits on the amount of military assets are at their disposal. Russia could have very well turned everything from Kyiv to Donbas into Grozny 2001 if they wanted to. And we certainly know that had the US been in the same situation, they would have done the same on Day 1.

Reichsbevollmächtigter für den totalen Kriegseinsatz

 

[615vols]

If you are not bright enough to read what I posted and realize that I didn't buy the master plan narrative, you are a clown. Again, go back and read exactly WTF I said in full context. If you the brain power to warm toast, you would see how ridiculous you look... or just out to twist my words and distort the message I was laying out.

Oh I read the horesh** you posted, at least you’re attempting to distance yourself from such a laughably stupid remark now. Honestly reminds me of the earlier Russian retreats that you guys called “feints”

 

[615vols]

Kadyrov is actually involved and has his finger on the pulse of this situation. The Institute for War or whatever they are are a bunch of neocon/globalist circle jerkers creating BS narratives for sheeple like you to consume.

Again, crawl back in your hole.

First off, I’m not Russian so I don’t live in a hole. Second, kadyrov is scum. The fact that you believe he has any shred of credibility or honesty is hilarious.

 

[MG1968]

It's really funny watching some of these "get off my lawn" self proclaimed conservatives having no problem at all for U.S. involvement and meddling in other countries affairs.

But it’s ok if Putin tramples on Ukraine’s front lawn because your neighbor’s dog took a big **** in your wife’s geraniums.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Iran is not backing Azerbaijan not sure where you got that from. They have had a tense relationship for awhile now due to the close ties with Israel. In fact they may have been backing Armenia behind the scenes during the last war if you believe Turkish and Azerbaijani sources.

Looks like it has been a bit strained recently, but the general point I was making is that there are multiple players involved on both sides of this conflict that should incentivize finding a diplomatic solution. Too many entangling interests that I'm sure no one wants to escalate and get too far out of hand. However, as long as Russia is distracted in Ukraine, there is a risk of this thing festering longer than it needs to.

Isreal having an interest in this complicates it even more.

 

[LouderVol]

So, the Ukraine is admitting they did not work in good faith under the agreements for 30 years but they want to sign new agreements? LOL

Than it shouldn't be a surprise that Russian forces are there.

I'm not sure what the point of most of your posts are, most of them are contrary to other posts, imo.

How is them not being under Russias thumb a violation of the Budapest Memorendum? That was the agreement the borders of Ukraine were guarenteed by Russia as long as they gave up the nukes they had and no new nukes were placed there.

Not sure when the last Ukrainian nuke left but there havent been any new ones show up in those 39 years, so yet again you are pulling stuff from the air.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I'll admit that I'm pretty damn bigoted against Putin. The world and Russia would be much better off if he was taking a dirt nap.

Think about this for a second, the Russian people lived under a brutal communist regime for almost 70 years and still 20% (reported) of the voters want them over Putin. That should tell you something.

That tells me that the other 80% are fully aware of the 70+ yeard of communism and the destruction it caused.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Oh I read the horesh** you posted, at least you’re attempting to distance yourself from such a laughably stupid remark now. Honestly reminds me of the earlier Russian retreats that you guys called “feints”

I'm not distancing anything. I'm clearing up the record. What I posted was clear and didn't need your parsing and spin to paint your narrative. Anybody else reading that could see that I was not saying it was 4D chess by Russia.

 

[LouderVol]

It deserved some criticism. He didn't lie. But at the same time, Russia is fighting this with certain limitations up until this weekend. Until now, they have tried to avoid going after civilian infrastructure. Plus, because it is considered a "special military operation" and not a war, then it has placed limits on the amount of military assets are at their disposal. Russia could have very well turned everything from Kyiv to Donbas into Grozny 2001 if they wanted to. And we certainly know that had the US been in the same situation, they would have done the same on Day 1.

You keep saying declaring war would suddenly unleash all sorts of fury, but Russia is fully tapped. They would get conscripts, not very helpful for a couple months, if they can even arm them, and be able to call up their allies. Which we have already seen.

And you are going to have to talk to LSU-SIU he has been claiming the complete destruction of Ukraine from the start, parking lots he called it.

And your last sentence is whataboutism as usual. Anything to deflect and avoid the actual subject matter.