War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey genius, they are Russian because those lands were under Russian control for far, far longer than anything called Ukraine even existed. Going back to Catherine the Great, count how many years that land was under Russian control and compare that to the number of years it was under a creation called Ukraine.
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Are we counting the soviet period as Russia or not? I figure in this case you will say yes, even though you say no when we point out all the soviet flaws.

Also how long does a country have to exist to be legitimate?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey genius, they are Russian because those lands were under Russian control for far, far longer than anything called Ukraine even existed. Going back to Catherine the Great, count how many years that land was under Russian control and compare that to the number of years it was under a creation called Ukraine.
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Then I guess Indians are English since GB controlled India longer than India has been an independent country.
 
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hog88 said:
He refused to sign the EU agreement and aligned with Russia against his constituents wishes.
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And I told you why. The West wants you to pick sides. Either you are with them or against them. The ideal situation for them is the direction that Yanukovich would have desired which would have been to straddle the fence with both. Especially when you consider that you have the western half that more favors Europe and an eastern half that relates more to Russia. But the West would not allow that decision, so as a result, he leaned towards Russia because of Putin's influence most likely and because the majority of people that elected him would have preferred that option.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Which was a republic under one country during the time of the USSR. No matter how you slice this. Whether it was before the revolution or afterwards, all of this land has spent the majority of it's time under the control of the Moscow govt in one for or another. But you know this... you just want to play ignorant.
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Alaska spent more time under the control of Moscow than the United States, are Alaskans Russian?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey genius, they are Russian because those lands were under Russian control for far, far longer than anything called Ukraine even existed. Going back to Catherine the Great, count how many years that land was under Russian control and compare that to the number of years it was under a creation called Ukraine.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they might have been part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania onger than being part of Russia. However they didn't control much of Eastern Ukraine and much of the region along the Black Sea.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And I told you why. The West wants you to pick sides. Either you are with them or against them. The ideal situation for them is the direction that Yanukovich would have desired which would have been to straddle the fence with both. Especially when you consider that you have the western half that more favors Europe and an eastern half that relates more to Russia. But the West would not allow that decision, so as a result, he leaned towards Russia because of Putin's influence most likely and because the majority of people that elected him would have preferred that option.
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Ukraine was already close with Russia. The EU deal was in addition to the Russian stuff not exclusive of it. It was Putin who said it was us or them. Yanukovich did what he was told by Putin, and it rightly blew up in his face.

It's why Putin invaded and not NATO.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they might have been part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania onger than being part of Russia. However they didn't control much of Eastern Ukraine and much of the region along the Black Sea.
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Neither did what is now Russia.

And again how long does a nation have to exist before it is legitimate and can rightly defend its border?
 
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Longer-Range Missiles For Ukraine Would Make US "A Party To The Conflict": Kremlin

There is also the option of removing current limits the US has been placing on the type of missiles shipped for the HIMARS systems already provided to Ukraine. In a Thursday press briefing, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned that if longer range munitions are supplied, the US would become "a party to the conflict" in crossing this "red line".
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Keep playing games.

Why not just disconnect china from the banking system and see what happens. Just disconnect everyone. LOL

Just give nukes to Cuba, Iran, Syria, etc. and call it a day. A few tactical nukes on those invaders in Syria would probably get the point across.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Meanwhile, on the ground in Ukraine, just like the Kherson offensive fizzled out at the end of last week, looks like the Kharkiv offensive is going to be settled back down over the few weeks or so.
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Wait what Moe?! Another 3 day/hour tour turning into weeks? Or months? Sad! 😂🤡
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Ukraine is advancing (for now). Only to lose those gains in short order. There is no one right now even talking about the much talked about Kherson Offensive. I wonder why? In the next 2-3 days, you'll see the same about this Kharkiv-Izium offensive.
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LouderVol said:
Neither did what is now Russia.

And again how long does a nation have to exist before it is legitimate and can rightly defend its border?
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I'll have to look and see who controlled that area along the Black Sea around that time.

Apparently we need to go back over 800 years and redefine borders according to some people here.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I'll have to look and see who controlled that area along the Black Sea around that time.

Apparently we need to go back over 800 years and redefine borders according to some people here.
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apparently you are incapable of answering a simple question.

How. Long. Does. A. Country. Need. To. Exist. To. Be. Legitimate?
 
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DonjoVol said:
I'll have to look and see who controlled that area along the Black Sea around that time.

Apparently we need to go back over 800 years and redefine borders according to some people here.
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you started that line of reasoning...
 
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LouderVol said:
apparently you are incapable of answering a simple question.

How. Long. Does. A. Country. Need. To. Exist. To. Be. Legitimate?
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Ask Syria, they're asking the same question and can't find the answer in the book.

On a slightly different subject, shouldn't the United States be giving Yemen $100b to fight off the attacks of Saudi Arabia since invasions and attacks are bad? Shouldn't the U.S. be redirecting those Saudi arms sales to Yemen?

Shouldn't the U.S. be giving Syria arms and money to get those bad invaders out of the oil fields?
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Ask Syria, they're asking the same question and can't find the answer in the book.
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The same Syria that used its military might, well Russia's, to put down an independence movement within its borders? The same Syria completely dependent on another nation for its military equipment?

I dont remember the US threatening to nuke Syria if we didnt get our way. and we also havent actively supported that independence movement to the point of taking several major cities and thousands of square kilometers of territory.

I mean Syria should just go ahead and surrender right? They are clearly being used as proxies and Russia wont let them stop until every last Syrian is dead!
 
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LouderVol said:
The same Syria that used its military might, well Russia's, to put down an independence movement within its borders? The same Syria completely dependent on another nation for its military equipment?

I dont remember the US threatening to nuke Syria if we didnt get our way. and we also havent actively supported that independence movement to the point of taking several major cities and thousands of square kilometers of territory.

I mean Syria should just go ahead and surrender right? They are clearly being used as proxies and Russia wont let them stop until every last Syrian is dead!
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If invading is bad why is the United States in Syria? Why is the United States not supplying Yemen with billions in arms against the bad Saudis?

The answer is the TV didn't tell you to be all upset about it.

I dont remember the US threatening to nuke Syria if we didnt get our way
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All nuclear countries threaten with nuclear arms, just having them is the threat.

The U.S. has actually used nuclear weapons. LOL

At the end of the day, the Ukraine is meaningless.... the United States set them up to die. Getting mad isn't going to change anything. Coming up with all these strange arguments isn't going to change anything.
 
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