War in Ukraine

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LSU-SIU said:
I don't know what that means, the United States will just be another country at that point... as the global banking will never come back. The U.S. will collapse with the rest. Modern civilizations run off cheap credit, and cheap energy.... now globalization is needed. If/when the U.S. dollar is no longer recognized as the reserve currency of the world... all of that will disappear very quickly.

The only thing that would really happen is exposing the lie, the lie is what provides us with modern civilizations. But all lies come to an end. Russia didn't do anything to Europe.... Europe just exposed its own lies.

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Trade has always worked that way. We are just more interconnected. If Rome had stopped trading one day it would have collapsed the regional economy. Ancient china, ancient Meso America.

All society is based on trading for resources, equipment, supplies, whatever, that your country cant efficiently produce. If some group just suddenly stopped valuing the media of exchange that's going to ruin whatever economy is tied to it. This isnt some new globalism/US cartel problem.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
But the difference is I’m not the one making excuses and supporting any of them
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I would just say what Russia has done is logical if one understands their position and their strategy since the fall of USSR, and the wrong decision in hindsight was waiting this long, imo. But my opinion is basically moot. War sucks, but some wars suck more than others.

I would say most of the white controlled nations are going down some bad roads... probably the same or similar paths as WWII.

I'm not understanding what United States/Europe are doing on a micro-scale or a macro-scale... seems like they want to go to global reset.
 
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LouderVol said:
Trade has always worked that way. We are just more interconnected. If Rome had stopped trading one day it would have collapsed the regional economy. Ancient china, ancient Meso America.

All society is based on trading for resources, equipment, supplies, whatever, that your country cant efficiently produce. If some group just suddenly stopped valuing the media of exchange that's going to ruin whatever economy is tied to it. This isnt some new globalism/US cartel problem.
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I never said it was new, to the contrary... its the same. Rinse and repeat. This one will just be much longer and deeper than the rest, extinction is a real possibility this time. Billions will have to go, and maybe everyone. ?????

This ain't 1930-1945, nobody is feeding 7+ billion without a functioning global credit system.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I never said it was new, to the contrary... its the same. Rinse and repeat. This one will just be much longer and deeper than the rest, extinction is a real possibility this time. Billions will have to go, and maybe everyone. ?????

This ain't 1930-1945, nobody is feeding 7+ billion without a functioning global credit system.
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You dont have to feed 7 billion to avoid extinction. If anything the fat will be trimmed as nations have to focus on themselves first. Pretty no one can actually support themselves where it matters, so nations will have to adapt.
 
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LouderVol said:
so nations will have to adapt.
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True, but many of them and the people won't be around. Adapting is one thing, making something (food, water, energy) magically appear is another thing.

Funny my comments about Erdogan earlier. The United States, the friend that keeps giving all year. :D

US, EU Will Force Turkey To Implement Sanctions On Russia

In response to Western sanctions that prevented Russians from accessing services like Visa and Mastercard, the Kremlin rolled out the Mir payment system as an alternative. Five of Turkey’s most prominent banks use Mir.
One of the sources speaking with FT said Western nations would no longer allow the Turkish banks to use Mir without occurring risks.
"We’ll send a message very clearly that, for example, third-country financial institutions should not be interconnecting with the Mir payment network because, you know, that carries some sanctions- evasion risks," the official said. ​
Two of Turkey’s top banks told FT that they would enforce the sanctions, and it appears Russians are being impacted. Middle East Eye reports several Russians at Turkish resorts had their Mir cards declined. However, it is not a blanket ban at hotels, and Mir card users report being able to access ATMs.
Ankara does not appear willing to institute Washington’s sanctions targeting Mir. Turkey’s foreign ministry said that Ankara has a long-standing policy of only enforcing UN-issue sanctions.

FT reports the crackdown on sanctions in Turkey is due to the West’s economic war on Moscow having failed. "That shift acknowledges that economic sanctions imposed after Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine in February failed to damage Russia’s economy as much as they had hoped," the outlet reported.
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I think people should consider the possibility that the United States keeps escalating.

To me it looks like a willful act to go to reset by the United States. <----- So, the country that gets free **** from around the world... I guess doesn't want free **** anymore. Strange.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
True, but many of them and the people won't be around. Adapting is one thing, making something (food, water, energy) magically appear is another thing.

Funny my comments about Erdogan earlier. The United States, the friend that keeps giving all year. :D

US, EU Will Force Turkey To Implement Sanctions On Russia



I think people should consider the possibility that the United States keeps escalating.

To me it looks like a willful act to go to reset by the United States. <----- So, the country that gets free **** from around the world... I guess doesn't want free **** anymore. Strange.
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What's the chances that Turkey actually leaves NATO over all this?
 
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NCFisher said:
You know this to be false because I provided the data to you six months ago in post #22,222. Why do you outright lie about it now?
If you want to be stupid about Putin, that's your business. Lying to do it makes you repugnant.

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The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights unveiled the data on Donbas war casualties from 14 April 2014 to 30 June 2021.

“The total number of casualties related to the conflict in Ukraine is 42,500-44,500 people,” the Office said in response to an information inquiry from Radio Liberty.

The casualties are categorised as follows:
  • 13,200–13,400 people killed (at least 3,901 civilians, about 4,200 Ukrainian servicepersons, and about 5,800 Russian-backed militants)
  • 29,600–33,600 people wounded (7,000–9,000 civilians, 9,800–10,800 members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and 12,800–13,800 occupiers)
In general, over the years of the war, civilians have accounted for 25-26% of the killed and wounded.

The UN also notes that this ratio has changed significantly over the years: from 33-34% in 2014 to 4-5% in 2019-2021.

As a reminder, the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights reported 42,000-44,000 casualties in Donbas for the period from 14 April 2014 to 10 February 2020.

Bohdan Marusyak
UN Releases Data on Donbas War Casualties
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You are not very bright, are you? Did you actually read the data you posted on both occasions?

Looks like we have another of these clowns that needs to sit in the back of the class.
 
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DonjoVol said:
What's the chances that Turkey actually leaves NATO over all this?
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Throw in the fact that Turkey is not thrilled about the US presence in Syria supporting the Kurds. Add in Erdogan is upset about Greece getting F-35 and Turkey being denied (he should actually not be worried about that, imo). And add in the fact that NATO is wanting to expand into Finland and Sweden.

NATO membership has not benefitted Turkey recently.
 
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DonjoVol said:
What's the chances that Turkey actually leaves NATO over all this?
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Its not really a NATO problem, its a more of a EU and Federal Reserve system issue. Which is what the majority of the world by population has a problem with, hence all these other bi-lateral agreements going up. The United States is pushing everyone out, well, at some point the gravy train stops one would imagine. If you're a bank and you kick out all customers out the door, exactly what is the business?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh really?

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Re-read what you posted. "Push towards". They ain't flying over. Almost all fixed wing Russian Sorties are launching weapons from outside of Ukrainian air space because, wait for it, they don't have air superiority..

IF they did they would be flying their slow ass black jacks over Ukraine and bombing the sh!t out of it. But they aren't because they can't.

Again, they want to be like the USA but as history has shown they will never be able to be like us (me, not you).

FFS Ukraine is still flying up to 40 sorties a day. Guess what that means? Russia doesn't have air superiority. lol

 
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hog88 said:
Any Russian living in Ukraine should have went home to Russia. The Ukrainian rebels in the Donbas took their chance and were losing, I fully respect their right to rebel but it's a big gamble when you do.
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I wonder who you think should go home in South Africa? How about Palestine/Isreal?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are not very bright, are you? Did you actually read the data you posted on both occasions?

Looks like we have another of these clowns that needs to sit in the back of the class.
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I read 3901 civilians died, and it is not known how many are Ukrainian or Russian "lives". Nor is it known how many of the civilians died by Ukraine or Russian backed separatists.

I read 4200 are Ukrainian soldiers; how many of them are "Russian lives", front of the class guy? They died at the hands of Russian backed separatists and military.

Lastly, we've 5800 Russia backed separatists dying at the hand of Ukraine military for trying to break away a large tract of Ukraine.

Mixing partial fact with partial falsehood produces a whole lie. The only fact you can cling to is 5800 dead Russian backed separatists we can assume are a mixture of Russian loyalists or anti-Kiev Ukrainians, so you don't even get all that.

So, there was no "14k-15k Russian lives lost over the last 8 years"; it didn't happen. What you attempt to portray is poor Russians being shelled in Donbas by Nazis, rather than the armed conflict by Russian sponsored separatists and Ukraine military that it is, "clown".

Try turning on that bulb in your own head, so your lies don't run aground on themselves.
 
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NCFisher said:
I read 3901 civilians died, and it is not known how many are Ukrainian or Russian "lives". Nor is it known how many of the civilians died by Ukraine or Russian backed separatists.

I read 4200 are Ukrainian soldiers; how many of them are "Russian lives", front of the class guy? They died at the hands of Russian backed separatists and military.

Lastly, we've 5800 Russia backed separatists dying at the hand of Ukraine military for trying to break away a large tract of Ukraine.

Mixing partial fact with partial falsehood produces a whole lie. The only fact you can cling to is 5800 dead Russian backed separatists we can assume are a mixture of Russian loyalists or anti-Kiev Ukrainians, so you don't even get all that.

So, there was no "14k-15k Russian lives lost over the last 8 years"; it didn't happen. What you attempt to portray is poor Russians being shelled in Donbas by Nazis, rather than the armed conflict by Russian sponsored separatists and Ukraine military that it is, "clown".

Try turning on that bulb in your own head, so your lies don't run aground on themselves.
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It’s a goto stooge play. They have always played fast and loose with the Donbass casualties and totally misrepresented them.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then do the math for us, right now. Show us your math for the 14-15K Russian lives lost.
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Well first off, the data you provided clearly stated that it stopped counting last June:
The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights unveiled the data on Donbas war casualties from 14 April 2014 to 30 June 2021.
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Secondly, The UN numbers could different from other local numbers or counts by other organizations. So the UN says 13k, others have said 14k-15k. What is your point? That doesn't make me a liar.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s a goto stooge play. They have always played fast and loose with the Donbass casualties and totally misrepresented them.
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No doubt one of their trusted men on the ground was loose with it, and they just ran with it.

I can abide someone being wrong, even willingly, but when you're shown you're wrong and continue, then you're simply a liar relying on the ignorance of your opposition - not facts - to win the day. I don't suffer liars; nothing else they can do nullifies that corruption of their character.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, the data you provided clearly stated that it stopped counting last June:


Secondly, The UN numbers could different from other local numbers or counts by other organizations. So the UN says 13k, others have said 14k-15k. What is your point? That doesn't make me a liar.
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Alright, I'll give you another chance to be a standup guy. Another 1-2K divided among the three groups of deaths still gets nowhere to your claim.

What don't you understand? My math is fine.
 
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