War in Ukraine

[NorthDallas40]

And you compared Ukrainian neo Nazis to the tooth fairy. I guess that means Stepan Bandera is Santa Claus.

Go play some Xbox Proctor. Adults are trying to have a conversation here.

I absolutely compared the Ukrainian Nazis to the tooth fairy and I’ll do it again. Because once again you’re misrepresenting the entire situation with overtly exaggerated data. You stooges do it with the Nazis. You stooges do it with the Donbass casualties. It’s all you can manage you take a piece of information and completely misrepresent it to somehow hope it supports your made up stupid ass narratives. It doesn’t Curly plain and simple. And we all see it.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Throw in the fact that Turkey is not thrilled about the US presence in Syria supporting the Kurds. Add in Erdogan is upset about Greece getting F-35 and Turkey being denied (he should actually not be worried about that, imo). And add in the fact that NATO is wanting to expand into Finland and Sweden.

NATO membership has not benefitted Turkey recently.

I mean as soon as you say Erdogan is bat **** crazy, the United States is like... hold my beer.

Turkish president tells US to remove forces from northern Syria

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on the United States to leave northern Syria, saying the withdrawal could weaken "terror groups" supported by Washington.

"The US needs to leave the areas on the east of the river Euphrates, this is our conclusion at the Astana [talks]," Erdogan told a group of journalists who accompanied him to Tehran on Tuesday for a trilateral summit with his Iranian and Russian counterparts.

'This terror group is sucking the oil wells in the east of the river Euphrates, they exploit them and then sell them to the regime'​

- President Erdogan​

"It is the US that feeds the terror groups there; it would ease our work if the US withdraws or cuts support to these groups."

The United States is one that has been funding all those terrorist groups, but you won't see this on TV.

Hillary was selling weapons to ISIS while at same time the U.S. was fighting them, and than the US was selling weapons to Saudi Arabia who was fighting the group she was funding... Hillary was getting kickbacks via the Clinton Foundation. (see her e-mails)

Erdogan Wanted to Meet Syria's Assad - Turkish Media

The report came after four sources told Reuters Turkey's intelligence chief held multiple meetings with his Syrian counterpart in Damascus in recent weeks, a sign of Russian efforts to encourage a thaw between states on opposite sides of Syria's war.

Erdogan says Turkey ready to turn to Russia if U.S. blocks F-16 sales

NATO Turkey has applied to purchase 40 Blok 70 Viper F-16s and as many as 80 modernisation kits for its existing F-16 fleet after purchasing Russian S-400 air defence missiles. The acquisition of the Russian weapons in 2019 prompted the United States to bar it from a programme to develop and purchase the F-35 stealth fighter jet.
Washington has also imposed sanctions on Turkey over the S-400 purchase, which it maintains poses a threat to its F-35 fighter jets and NATO's broader defence systems.

 

[Hunerwadel]

This is truly unbelievable. I wish they had shown the publication date.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Alright, I'll give you another chance to be a standup guy. Another 1-2K divided among the three groups of deaths still gets nowhere to your claim.

What don't you understand? My math is fine.

Oh, so you are splitting hairs between "Russian" and just the people killed in Donbas in general since 2014. OK, fine... But wait... it is hard for me to keep up with the narrative from day to day. Because @hog88 says that since these Russians lived in Ukraine after 1991, then they are Ukrainian. But now that Donbas is under the control of Russia and recognized as Russian, I guess all the people of Donbas are now Russia.

If they lived in Ukraine for centuries they were Ukrainians and not Russian.

Ukraine was one of the United Soviet Socialist Republics, those living there were Ukrainian.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I mean as soon as you say Erdogan is bat **** crazy, the United States is like... hold my beer.

Turkish president tells US to remove forces from northern Syria



The United States is one that has been funding all those terrorist groups, but you won't see this on TV.

Hillary was selling weapons to ISIS while at same time the U.S. was fighting them, and than the US was selling weapons to Saudi Arabia who was fighting the group she was funding... Hillary was getting kickbacks via the Clinton Foundation. (see her e-mails)

Erdogan Wanted to Meet Syria's Assad - Turkish Media



Erdogan says Turkey ready to turn to Russia if U.S. blocks F-16 sales

We have the dumbest group of leaders here in The West.

 

[DonjoVol]

Yay Globalism!

Just like the socialists here. You complain about Globalism when it's the otherside, but when it's your chance for Globalism it's the best thing ever.

So countries wishing to cooperate is globalism?

 

[DonjoVol]

We have the dumbest group of leaders here in The West.

Biden, Macron, and Trudeau. Such a great group of leaders.

 

[hog88]

Oh, so you are splitting hairs between "Russian" and just the people killed in Donbas in general since 2014. OK, fine... But wait... it is hard for me to keep up with the narrative from day to day. Because @hog88 says that since these Russians lived in Ukraine after 1991, then they are Ukrainian. But now that Donbas is under the control of Russia and recognized as Russian, I guess all the people of Donbas are now Russia.

Who's recognizing Donbas as Russian territory?

 

[DonjoVol]

Who's recognizing Donbas as Russian territory?

I don't. I think Luhansk and Donetsk should be their own independent nations. Free from Ukraine and Russia.

 

[Septic]

Who's recognizing Donbas as Russian territory?

Russians an russian sympathizers, just ask them.

 

[LSU-SIU]

We have the dumbest group of leaders here in The West.

Its either dumb or part of a plan.

Either way I think the world might be past the point of return or getting there real quick.

The United States will do what it always does going forward, have Turkey pick a side.

Erdogan Seeks Out Russian Help for Economy Under Pressure

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is seeking even closer financial ties with Russia as he attempts to stabilize a troubled economy ahead of next year’s elections, according to Turkish officials.

Germany Seizes Control Of Russian-Owned Oil Refineries

German officials said Friday that Berlin has taken control of three Russian-owned refineries located in Germany in a scramble to shore up energy security before the planned embargo on oil imports from Russia kicks in and further squeezes energy supplies.

The United States and Europe are basically down to theft at this point. LOL

Why would foreigners want to invest in them going forward?

Now if only refineries made oil. Maybe eventually Europe will figure out they've been thrown under the bus by the United States, or maybe they will do what they do best... go to war with each other.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Who's recognizing Donbas as Russian territory?

<checks notes>
looks like only Russia! For that matter same for Crimea

 

[Burhead]

Ongoing fighting between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan forces. Both sides are using tanks and artillery. I think I saw where Tajikistan has taken some villages. The Russian sphere of influence is burning with countries knowing Russia can't intervene.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Ongoing fighting between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan forces. Both sides are using tanks and artillery. I think I saw where Tajikistan has taken some villages. The Russian sphere of influence is burning with countries knowing Russia can't intervene.

What about the Armenia / Azerbaijan issue? The mutual defense pact was invoked with Russia I’ve seen no response from Moscow on that invoking

 

[NorthDallas40]

Apparently there is a cease fire which is holding for now on Armenia /Azerbaijan

Pelosi to visit Armenia as cease-fire with Azerbaijan holds

 

[Burhead]

What about the Armenia / Azerbaijan issue? The mutual defense pact was invoked with Russia I’ve seen no response from Moscow on that invoking

They are only sending an observer group to the front. Haven't seen much updates from there so maybe the cease fire is holding.

 

[LouderVol]

So countries wishing to cooperate is globalism?

Apparently. Idk. I dont make the rules here. I just try to apply them equally.

 

[DonjoVol]

Apparently there is a cease fire which is holding for now on Armenia /Azerbaijan

Pelosi to visit Armenia as cease-fire with Azerbaijan holds

She needs to worry about the crime and homelessness problems plaguing her district instead of making trips to Armenia and Taiwan.

 

[LSU-SIU]

She needs to worry about the crime and homelessness problems plaguing her district instead of making trips to Armenia and Taiwan.

The more we look at this, the more it looks like a plan to just skip recession, depression, and reset.... go straight to WW3.

I actually kind of get a kick out of the homeless bum meth head druggy fights from out there.


Viral video shows homeless fighting in squalid conditions on San Francisco street | Viral Video

 

[NCFisher]

Oh, so you are splitting hairs between "Russian" and just the people killed in Donbas in general since 2014. OK, fine... But wait... it is hard for me to keep up with the narrative from day to day. Because @hog88 says that since these Russians lived in Ukraine after 1991, then they are Ukrainian. But now that Donbas is under the control of Russia and recognized as Russian, I guess all the people of Donbas are now Russia.

It's not splitting hairs and you're capable of following the conversation between you and I, which concerns the period prior to the Russian invasion with Russian-backed separatists and Ukraine fighting over the Donbas regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.

The loyalties of the citizens killed is unknown just as it's unknown which force's 'shelling' caused it. OF the separatists, some are Russian loyalists, some are anti-Kiev Ukrainian loyalists, and some are indifferent to the governing body, Also fighting in Donbas were/are Kiev loyalists on the side of UAF.

Yes, that's how it works; when Ukraine became independent in 1991, they were Ukraine citizens. Until the region is no longer contested, it is still Ukraine. Why blur the distinction?

 

[DonjoVol]

The more we look at this, the more it looks like a plan to just skip recession, depression, and reset.... go straight to WW3.

She probably thinks Armenia has gotten out of line by asking Russia for help. Guess she has to go straighten them out now and remind them who she thinks is boss.

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[Velo Vol]

When will everyone in this thread recognize it?

 

[LSU-SIU]

When will everyone in this thread recognize it?

Wake me up when the CIA is teaching countries how to water board. LoL

 

[FLVOL_79]

Wait till Russia finds out about MapQuest!!