War in Ukraine

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KB5252 said:
Calling up 300,000 conscripts causing your military age men booking flights out of Russia in droves was part of the plan all along!

Russia is now threatening to Nuke because his military was exposed and he's feeling the heat.
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Potentially using tactical nuclear weapons as a first strike have been widely part of their military strategy in Europe for 30 years.
 
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KB5252 said:
Calling up 300,000 conscripts causing your military age men booking flights out of Russia in droves was part of the plan all along!

Russia is now threatening to Nuke because his military was exposed and he's feeling the heat.
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They have to realize that if they do that Putin and anyone within a few miles radius of him is toast.

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KB5252 said:
Calling up 300,000 conscripts causing your military age men booking flights out of Russia in droves was part of the plan all along!

Russia is now threatening to Nuke because his military was exposed and he's feeling the heat.
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Putin and his allies within Russia have to know that any use of nuclear weapons means the end for them. No nation of any size would trade with Russia after a nuclear attack on Ukraine.
 
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hog88 said:
Putin and his allies within Russia have to know that any use of nuclear weapons means the end for them. No nation of any size would trade with Russia after a nuclear attack on Ukraine.
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Funny, this was the strategy even when Putin was moonlighting as a taxi cab driver. It has nothing to do with Putin.
 
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hog88 said:
We/NATO wouldn't escalate the situation by nuking Moscow, to do so would be idiotic and start WWIII. What would happen is an almost complete embargo against Russia.
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WW III will essentially have started. We are close to a complete embargo now. Thinking that China and India would suddenly join in, in time to slow things down, does not seem likely. They would have to, but it would take time.

And if Putin deploys a nuke in the Ukraine there will be very little of it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Potentially using tactical nuclear weapons as a first strike have been widely part of their military strategy in Europe for 30 years.
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I realize that, but they have amped up the rhetoric amid recent battlefield losses and the call for 300,000 conscripts. The situation in Russia both militarily and economically is far from good at the moment. Putin knows it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
WW III will essentially have started. We are close to a complete embargo now. Thinking that China and India would suddenly join in, in time to slow things down, does not seem likely. They would have to, but it would take time.

And if Putin deploys a nuke in the Ukraine there will be very little of it.
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WW3 has already started to a degree. Thanks Joe.
 
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I can just see them in Warsaw: "On second thought, maybe the people in Kyiv should have welcomed the Russians as liberators."

 
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KB5252 said:
I realize that, but they have amped up the rhetoric amid recent battlefield losses and the call for 300,000 conscripts. The situation in Russia both militarily and economically is far from good at the moment. Putin knows it.
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The war in the Ukraine is over and has been. The economic war with Europe is at the beginning stage. What goes on in the Ukraine is fairly meaningless, just how many are killed and what the size of the parking lot is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
WW III will essentially have started. We are close to a complete embargo now. Thinking that China and India would suddenly join in, in time to slow things down, does not seem likely. They would have to, but it would take time.

And if Putin deploys a nuke in the Ukraine there will be very little of it.
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China and India would have to join any embargo against Russia should they use nuclear weapons. Offensive use of nukes is just not something any nation can support and continuing trade would constitute support.

We're not even close to a complete embargo against Russia, hell Europe is still their oil and gas.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They have to realize that if they do that Putin and anyone within a few miles radius of him is toast.
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Nobody is going to global nuclear war if Russia starts using tactical nuclear weapons in the Ukraine. The United States has known from the beginning of their exercise how this turns out. I'm a little confused as to why people think nuclear weapons can't be used.

What exactly has Russia done to the United States?
 
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KB5252 said:
I realize that, but they have amped up the rhetoric amid recent battlefield losses and the call for 300,000 conscripts. The situation in Russia both militarily and economically is far from good at the moment. Putin knows it.
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Pooty is a manaical despot that basically manages a big ole' Flying J Travel Center with nukes.

Imagine being so embarrassed by bad decisions and personal failures that you'd resort to threating extinction level rhetoric.

He's been exposed as a joke. Surely China and Xi must be super alarmed by these nuke threats - I'd be surprised if their long term goals are aligned with going all in on pootys Ukraine butthurt.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The war in the Ukraine is over and has been. The economic war with Europe is at the beginning stage. What goes on in the Ukraine is fairly meaningless, just how many are killed and what the size of the parking lot is.
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I don't think the war is over. But I agree about economic warfare.

What are your thoughts on how it will likely end. It's seems to me US and Europe are at a severe disadvantage because of our dependence on Chinese goods. Where does Russia come into play with China, what I should ask is what does Russia bring to the table as far as the Chinese are concerned?
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't think the war is over. But I agree about economic warfare.

What are your thoughts on how it will likely end. It's seems to me US and Europe are at a severe disadvantage because of our dependence on Chinese goods. Where does Russia come into play with China, what I should ask is what does Russia bring to the table as far as the Chinese are concerned?
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The war is over as its only insignificant details. How many die, how much territory is obtained, and how much of the Ukraine is turned into a parking lot.

Where does Russia come into play with China, what I should ask is what does Russia bring to the table as far as the Chinese are concerned?
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Military closeness and resources, and a common enemy.

Of course, you have the Potato in Chief at the UN talking about climate change. LoL

The real war is now an economic war with Europe.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't think the war is over. But I agree about economic warfare.

What are your thoughts on how it will likely end. It's seems to me US and Europe are at a severe disadvantage because of our dependence on Chinese goods. Where does Russia come into play with China, what I should ask is what does Russia bring to the table as far as the Chinese are concerned?
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And China is dependent on our dollars, they're not going to piss off their piggy bank by supporting Russia after using nuclear weapons.
 
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hog88 said:
And China is dependent on our dollars, they're not going to piss off their piggy bank by supporting Russia after using nuclear weapons.
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Well, yes, but there is the other side, the United States needs a landing spot for those dollars to get goods. Some limited sanctions wouldn't mean much, a cutoff and the system will be reset.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
If forces are directly in the Ukraine sitting on the border it makes it much harder to defend Eastern Russia and Moscow without deploying nuclear weapons on its own turf. It buys space and time.

But at the end of the day, Russia is a nuclear military first, and conventional military second. There is no other defense for Russia against NATO other than to have tactical nuclear weapons as a potential first response.

I'm not sure why everyone is upset, this will all be worked out one way or another. Not really sure what the Ukraine is doing, but ole well, not much I can do about it.

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Latvia and maybe Estonia, 600 kms, are already closer to Moscow than Ukraine is, 700kms. Finland is like 20km from St. Petersburg, cutting off the Baltic and 900km from Moscow. Kalinisgrad is surrounded by NATO further cutting off the Baltic. We already have Turkey to cover the south, and given their History with Russia I doubt the Georgians are going to deny NATO access. Turkey also controls the straight to the Black Sea making Crimea irrelevant.

Point is Ukraine isnt even Russias vulnerable spot, and making it a warzone just spreads out Russia even more.

I keep saying it, if Russia wanted actual neutral countries they would have helped sponsor a third party alliance of buffer states with neither the US or Russia involvement. But they didnt want neutral buffer states, they want puppets they can control.

NATO isnt a threat.
 
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