War in Ukraine

[hog88]

Because of the referendum to leave Ukraine and join Russia.

So it wasn't that there was an open and armed rebellion being funded and supplied by the Russians? They were being shelled simply because of a vote?

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Been watching it the last few days, people are angry but not sure we’re to the point where they can overthrow the Islamists.

They are getting outside help now. Being that Russia and Iran are so closely related, I believe Russia is using Iranian drones. I thought it interesting , that an uprising happens right when Putin needs them the most.

 

[Septic]

Team Putin Begs Rich Russians to Help Save His Failing War

“An issue that is no less important than others is how well these people will be armed and equipped... They should receive modern uniforms, modern gear, rations, medical kits, items having to do with support and logistics, modern weapons… It’s just inappropriate.”

Those fortunate enough not to face mobilization should contribute in other ways, declared military expert Igor Korotchenko during his appearance on the show.

“It’s extremely important that our new military divisions that are being formed today receive necessary equipment and weapons,” he stressed. “Since we’re talking about the future of our nation, there has to be the consolidation of all available resources. We should create a fund of support for the special military operation. Our socially responsible prominent oligarchy should share their profits, so that our fighters on the front lines can be properly armed and equipped.”

Korotchenko went on: “Everyone should play their part. We can’t have it that some will luxuriate in Rublyovka [a prestigious residential area in the western suburbs of Moscow], while others are defending the Motherland. Those who are fattened up in the economic sense need to share their resources so that we can supply our troops with everything that is needed.”

It appears that the Russian elite however—including many top pro-Kremlin propagandists—would much rather cheer from the sidelines than join Russia’s brutal and bloody imperial endeavor. Host of 60 Minutes Evgeny Popov pondered on-air whether he was subject to mobilization, with an expression devoid of any signs he was feeling particularly lucky.

"Since we’re talking about the future of our nation"

LOL. Uh, you guys started this fight and can end it with a phone call.

Are Russians dumb enough to believe this?

 

[825VOL]

I mean, if you think that a war starts when people in camo uniforms walk onto a certain plot of land, then you don’t understand war at all. I don’t believe that you believe that though. I’m referring to the political and cultural subversion that began in 2004 called the Orange Revolution (see color revolutions), influenced by NGO’s like NED. When I was there in 2011 the EU was building soccer stadiums for Euro2012 to influence Ukraine to drop their oil deal with Russia. I also saw the new US embassy (which is the largest building in Ukraine) being built, which is where Victoria Nuland directed the installation of Yatzenyuk. This all culminated in open conflict that has seen the Kiev government shelling eastern Ukraine, killing 14000 civilians over the past eight years. Also I’m not going to LMAO at what you say because it isn’t an argument, and it’s a pathetic way of having a discussion.

You sure do make up a lot of stuff and leave out a lot of important details in your response. How dare someone build them a soccer stadium. What are those nasty Europeans and Americans thinking? LMAO

 

[Velo Vol]

These guys are just gonna be fodder. Russia can't even properly equip the soldiers it has in Ukraine.

To some degree. But I read a thread on Twitter (I can't remember who) about how both sides will soon be "settling in" for the winter, to some degree. And this could be more about rotating spent troops out then any kind of new offensive.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I mean, if you think that a war starts when people in camo uniforms walk onto a certain plot of land, then you don’t understand war at all. I don’t believe that you believe that though. I’m referring to the political and cultural subversion that began in 2004 called the Orange Revolution (see color revolutions), influenced by NGO’s like NED. When I was there in 2011 the EU was building soccer stadiums for Euro2012 to influence Ukraine to drop their oil deal with Russia. I also saw the new US embassy (which is the largest building in Ukraine) being built, which is where Victoria Nuland directed the installation of Yatzenyuk. This all culminated in open conflict that has seen the Kiev government shelling eastern Ukraine, killing 14000 civilians over the past eight years. Also I’m not going to LMAO at what you say because it isn’t an argument, and it’s a pathetic way of having a discussion.

Ok so I was thinking you were @volgr ’s alt but this straight up reads as a @Rasputin_Vol ’s alt especially with the 14,000 civilians killed disproved narrative. That’s been disassembled here just over the weekend I believe.

Your own words were the US invaded first. Yes I completely believe invasions must include people in camo wielding firearms and shooting people. That has only been Russia.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Because of the referendum to leave Ukraine and join Russia.

The 14000 civilians claim you made was long before the Donbas referendums just recently voted on to join Russia. That was only Crimea until recently. Try again.

So you see those discussions you were pining away about do happen. You’re just not really going to enjoy them I’d guess. You will find three, maybe four, staunch supporters of your views… from a forum account count anyway they are separate views.

 

[bcmbvol]

So it wasn't that there was an open and armed rebellion being funded and supplied by the Russians? They were being shelled simply because of a vote?

Well to be clear, the vote happened first. Also, it’s out in the open that western countries, especially the US, have been giving massive material aid to Kiev. The people in eastern Ukraine did not recognize the government that we installed in Kiev because they rightly felt they would have no representation at the national level. The government in Kiev wanted to maintain territory, that’s why they were shelling the east.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well to be clear, the vote happened first. Also, it’s out in the open that western countries, especially the US, have been giving massive material aid to Kiev. The people in eastern Ukraine did not recognize the government that we installed in Kiev because they rightly felt they would have no representation at the national level. The government in Kiev wanted to maintain territory, that’s why they were shelling the east.

We didn’t install a government in Kiev. The Ukrainian parliament exercised their legislative power and ousted Yanukovych

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

Ukraine just scored a huge cache of tanks. Some say 200 or more, including t80 designs. Ukraine Seizes Dozens of Russian Tanks Left by Fleeing Forces

 

[825VOL]

To some degree. But I read a thread on Twitter (I can't remember who) about how both sides will soon be "settling in" for the winter, to some degree. And this could be more about rotating spent troops out then any kind of new offensive.

I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I read where Russian soldiers are on a 1-2 year contract. Many of the contracts were set to expire. With Putin's mobilization act, they can no longer leave the military as scheduled. He had to do this just to keep the troops he has on the battlefield.

 

[hog88]

Well to be clear, the vote happened first. Also, it’s out in the open that western countries, especially the US, have been giving massive material aid to Kiev. The people in eastern Ukraine did not recognize the government that we installed in Kiev because they rightly felt they would have no representation at the national level. The government in Kiev wanted to maintain territory, that’s why they were shelling the east.

Yes, we gave Ukraine material aid but Obama refused to send lethal weapons or armament to Ukraine. The Ukrainian government only started offensive military action in the eastern part of the country AFTER pro Russian factions began an armed rebellion funded and supplied by the Russians. Was the Ukrainian government supposed to sit idly by and watch pro-Ukrainian civilians be slaughtered?

 

[DonjoVol]

What did I say I was right about, in particular?

If nobody reads any of that, how would even know?



Brian Kelly fits in Louisiana about as well as a turd in a punch bowl, is that wrong? LoL

Well Brian Kelly did beat Mike Leach already in the SEC.

And just in case you didn't know, Mike Leach is a terrible coach based on the analysis of some of the "experts" here on Volnation.

 

[DonjoVol]

Been watching it the last few days, people are angry but not sure we’re to the point where they can overthrow the Islamists.

It might just also be a small group of people as well. But the media can always shift the narrative and make it sound like it's a much bigger group.

Remember. Antifa is just an idea.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Well Brian Kelly did beat Mike Leach already in the SEC.

And just in case you didn't know, Mike Leach is a terrible coach based on the analysis of some of the "experts" here on Volnation.

Yeah, I don't even watch sports really anymore. LoL

Kelly is a strange freaking guy, not in the Les Miles strange way. Les kind fit in Louisiana. The best way to describe it is, a turd in a punch bowl. Has to be one of the strangest match ups in college football history. It would like Coach O getting a job at Notre Dame. LoL

 

[LouderVol]

I'm confused in the United States we try and help the invaders into the country, and than we try and give them voting rights, money, places to live, jobs, etc.

Shouldn't the Russians be able to vote in the Ukraine? Shouldn't they Ukrainians help them across the water?

Judiciary Democrats just voted to support NON-CITIZENS voting in our elections.

Most of those "russians" are citizens and did get to vote. Or did you miss Ras's master class in Ukraine's election maps?

 

[bcmbvol]

The 14000 civilians claim you made was long before the Donbas referendums just recently voted on to join Russia. That was only Crimea until recently. Try again.

So you see those discussions you were pining away about do happen. You’re just not really going to enjoy them I’d guess. You will find three, maybe four, staunch supporters of your views… from a forum account count anyway they are separate views.

There was a Donbas referendum in 2014. I have no problem being wrong. What I don’t enjoy is the little snipes like the one I highlighted. It contributes absolutely nothing.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Most of those "russians" are citizens and did get to vote. Or did you miss Ras's master class in Ukraine's election maps?

Not sure about what he said to be honest.

It would seem like the Ukraine government should be assisting the invaders, get all those invaders signed up to vote on the referendums.

 

[LSU-SIU]

There was a Donbas referendum in 2014. I have no problem being wrong. What I don’t enjoy is the little snipes like the one I highlighted. It contributes absolutely nothing.

There is an ignore button, trust me you are going to want to use it.

And yes, you are correct. <------

 

[NorthDallas40]

There was a Donbas referendum in 2014. I have no problem being wrong. What I don’t enjoy is the little snipes like the one I highlighted. It contributes absolutely nothing.

I looked and didn’t find a Donbas specific referendum to join Russia in 2014. Only Crimea. If it did happen why is Russia holding more this week.

And you should probably buckle up if you get chapped by little snipes as you’re going to see quite a few with the tired old pro Russian state narratives you’re bringing forth that have been hammered on multiple times already.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There is an ignore button, trust me you are going to want to use it.

Mr Echo Chamber has spoken … to himself again

 

[bcmbvol]

We didn’t install a government in Kiev. The Ukrainian parliament exercised their legislative power and ousted Yanukovych

Yanukovych was one of ours, too. I don’t want to assume too much here, but I see people (idk if you’re one of them) who would decry election meddling in 2016, going so far as to call it an act of war. Yet, when I point out that, since 2004, the US government or its proxy organizations have worked to change the make up of Ukraine’s government with great effect, it is ridiculous. As an aside, I have no association with Ras.

 

[bcmbvol]

I looked and didn’t find a Donbas specific referendum to join Russia in 2014. Only Crimea. If it did happen why is Russia holding more this week.

And you should probably buckle up if you get chapped by little snipes as you’re going to see quite a few with the tired old pro Russian state narratives you’re bringing forth that have been hammered on multiple times already.

Ok, please stop assuming things for me. I’m not pro Russian. I’m anti war. I don’t want the invasion to continue either, but it’s important to understand why it’s happening.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yanukovych was one of ours, too. I don’t want to assume too much here, but I see people (idk if you’re one of them) who would decry election meddling in 2016, going so far as to call it an act of war. Yet, when I point out that, since 2004, the US government or its proxy organizations have worked to change the make up of Ukraine’s government with great effect, it is ridiculous. As an aside, I have no association with Ras.

So no Yanukovych was pure Russian. Google where he lives now. He put forth an air of western leaning, campaigned on it even, and immediately pivoted to Russia after entering office. As was promptly thrown out of office by the Ukrainian Parliament for his actions. And no I don’t claim that we haven’t been politically active in Ukraine we absolutely have. As has most of Europe… and Russia. Difference is when Russia didn’t get their way they invaded and starting annexing territory and killing people. And that’s wrong… isn’t it?

 

[hog88]

Ok, please stop assuming things for me. I’m not pro Russian. I’m anti war. I don’t want the invasion to continue either, but it’s important to understand why it’s happening.

It's happening because Putin wants to get the band back together and Ukraine was going to be the first step. It's not much more complicated than that.