War in Ukraine

From 1897, genius... its been historically Russian or Soviet since the days of Catherine the Great. Where is the country called "Ukraine" on this map?

Novorossiya - Wikipedia

Novorossiya Governorate was formed (1764) from military frontier regions and parts of the southern Hetmanate, in anticipation of a war with the Ottoman Empire.[3] It was further expanded by the annexation of the Zaporozhian Sich in 1775. At various times, Novorossiya encompassed the Moldavian region of Bessarabia, the modern Ukraine's regions of the Black Sea littoral (Prychornomoria), Zaporizhzhia, Tavria, the Azov Sea littoral (Pryazovia), the Tatar region of Crimea, the area around the Kuban River, and the Circassian lands. The governorate was dissolved in 1783, but reestablished from 1796.

The region remained part of the Russian Empire until its collapse following the Russian February Revolution in early March 1917, after which it became part of the short-lived Russian Republic. In 1918, it was largely included in the Ukrainian State and in the Ukrainian Soviet Republic at the same time. In 1918–1920, it was, to varying extents, under the control of the anti-Bolshevik White movement governments of South Russia whose defeat signified the Soviet control over the territory, which became part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, within the Soviet Union from 1922.

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LMAO hey @norrislakevol here we go laying the ground work for the “attack on the Russian homeland” dumbassery 😂
 
From 1897, genius... its been historically Russian or Soviet since the days of Catherine the Great. Where is the country called "Ukraine" on this map?

Novorossiya - Wikipedia

Novorossiya Governorate was formed (1764) from military frontier regions and parts of the southern Hetmanate, in anticipation of a war with the Ottoman Empire.[3] It was further expanded by the annexation of the Zaporozhian Sich in 1775. At various times, Novorossiya encompassed the Moldavian region of Bessarabia, the modern Ukraine's regions of the Black Sea littoral (Prychornomoria), Zaporizhzhia, Tavria, the Azov Sea littoral (Pryazovia), the Tatar region of Crimea, the area around the Kuban River, and the Circassian lands. The governorate was dissolved in 1783, but reestablished from 1796.

The region remained part of the Russian Empire until its collapse following the Russian February Revolution in early March 1917, after which it became part of the short-lived Russian Republic. In 1918, it was largely included in the Ukrainian State and in the Ukrainian Soviet Republic at the same time. In 1918–1920, it was, to varying extents, under the control of the anti-Bolshevik White movement governments of South Russia whose defeat signified the Soviet control over the territory, which became part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, within the Soviet Union from 1922.

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Why stop there? Why not go back to the 1600s and give it to the Poles or Ottoman Empire?
 
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Again, when we see a grassroots insurgency in any of these places, holler back at me.
Russia itself has mass protest earlier. Russia has at least hundreds of thousands try to leave the country to avoid the war, and Russia itself has seen internal "sabotage", but Russia is even more popular in another country than they are at home.

I'll believe that when me sh*t turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
 
From a reliable source that you all have been promoting...

Overextending and Unbalancing Russia: Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options | RAND

Geopolitical Cost-Imposing Measures

Providing lethal aid to Ukraine would exploit Russia’s greatest point of external vulnerability. But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.

Increasing support to the Syrian rebels could jeopardize other U.S. policy priorities, such as combating radical Islamic terrorism, and could risk further destabilizing the entire region. Furthermore, this option might not even be feasible, given the radicalization, fragmentation, and decline of the Syrian opposition.

Promoting liberalization in Belarus likely would not succeed and could provoke a strong Russian response, one that would result in a general deterioration of the security environment in Europe and a setback for U.S. policy.

Expanding ties in the South Caucasus—competing economically with Russia—would be difficult because of geography and history.

Reducing Russian influence in Central Asia would be very difficult and could prove costly. Increased engagement is unlikely to extend Russia much economically and likely to be disproportionately costly for the United States.

Flip Transnistria and expel the Russian troops from the region would be a blow to Russian prestige, but it would also save Moscow money and quite possibly impose additional costs on the United States and its allies.

I think if you’ll look at my posts, or lack there of in this thread, I haven’t promoted anything. I don’t disagree, either, with what you posted in your reply. It is interesting to note these possible scenarios, but my point still stands. A lot of these conflicts on the periphery of Ukraine/Russo War have a lot of history to them that doesn’t include the US. Long standing disputes and animosity over ethnic, religious and territorial issues still exist in these outliers.

I’m certainly not blind to US involvement and meddling. Stated from the beginning we needed to be very careful about how far down this rabbit hole we go. I said many times we need to leave Europe to Europe and they need to clean up their own backyard.
 
Some of you guys seem to think that setting off a nuclear bomb is just like someone farting in the bed and we'll put major sanctions on any country that kills millions of people. One nuclear bomb will most likely end our civilization once people like Milley and Biden start pushing buttons.

Yep, those POSes are itching to use some of their toys.
 
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Keep in mind, the Brits were responsible for the Trump/Russiagate hoax, so take this with a grain of salt.

The Nord Stream pipelines were likely attacked with remotely detonated explosives, says UK defense source: report

Speaking to Sky News, the unnamed source said the leak in both pipelines was likely the result of a pre-planned attack.

Citing two unnamed Western intelligence officials, the outlet reported that European security officials knew of Russian Navy support ships being spotted near the leaks in the Nord Stream pipelines.

One of the intelligence officials told CNN that Russian submarines were also seen near the area last week.
 
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Some of you guys seem to think that setting off a nuclear bomb is just like someone farting in the bed and we'll put major sanctions on any country that kills millions of people. One nuclear bomb will most likely end our civilization once people like Milley and Biden start pushing buttons.

From what I've seen, Biden said there will be a conventional response from NATO. He said the exact response would depend on what Russia did. I could see a bridge going down and/or some ships being hit as a response. I don't think Biden wants to go nuclear.
 
From what I've seen, Biden said there will be a conventional response from NATO. He said the exact response would depend on what Russia did. I could see a bridge going down and/or some ships being hit as a response. I don't think Biden wants to go nuclear.
Seriously? Did you see him looking for the congresswoman that died in August as he was giving a speech? The man is mostly brain dead.
 
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Seriously? Did you see him looking for the congresswoman that died in August as he was giving a speech? The man is mostly brain dead.
I didn't watch that but I get the idea. I think the people around him would also push for a multi-nation NATO conventional response that would be significant.
 
Some of you guys seem to think that setting off a nuclear bomb is just like someone farting in the bed and we'll put major sanctions on any country that kills millions of people. One nuclear bomb will most likely end our civilization once people like Milley and Biden start pushing buttons.

The use of one would most assuredly set off the use of many. It would proliferate exponentially in minutes.
 
From what I've seen, Biden said there will be a conventional response from NATO. He said the exact response would depend on what Russia did. I could see a bridge going down and/or some ships being hit as a response. I don't think Biden wants to go nuclear.

Once we responded even in a conventional sense, it’s over. Russia would likely respond with subsequent nuclear attacks under the assumption we were responding in kind. There’s no way, IMO, this world gets out of this with seeing only one nuke being used.
 
What gets me..no diplomacy in the threat of the such possible cataclysmic event.
Lets face it...lot of bad out there in the world including CCP, NK, and Putin..yet diplomatic efforts seem to be off the table.

What has been in the national consciousness for last 6 years? Russia and Ukraine.
I just dont get it. Liberals applauding the Russia stuff which has been implanted in their heads for 6 years, becoming Neo cons before our eyes...the righties and libertarians saying funding is worth it. All the while our nation is down the crapper.

The hypocrisy in this thread leaves me SMH
 
What gets me..no diplomacy in the threat of the such possible cataclysmic event.
Lets face it...lot of bad out there in the world including CCP, NK, and Putin..yet diplomatic efforts seem to be off the table.

What has been in the national consciousness for last 6 years? Russia and Ukraine.
I just dont get it. Liberals applauding the Russia stuff which has been implanted in their heads for 6 years, becoming Neo cons before our eyes...the righties and libertarians saying funding is worth it. All the while our nation is down the crapper.

The hypocrisy in this thread leaves me SMH
There is only escalation in their tool kit... even in the face of sanctions failing miserably. And the sad part is that there really wouldn't be any or much of a penalty paid or "loss of face" right now if they just go to Russia and say "my bad" and work out a diplomatic solution. But all they want to do is just pump in weapons and billions in US taxpayer money.
 
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