War in Ukraine

[AM64]

I wasn't the one who started boasting about how many blacks there are in the USA compared to Russia (mostly because of the trans-Atlantic slave trade) as a way to say white Americans are wonderful people and white Russians aren't.

So you got any statistics on how many black slaves there were in Africa vs how many in the Americas back in those days? And who did the enslaving and selling?

 

[hog88]

I would love to see your source for this Stat.

Why on earth would you want to see his ass?

 

[AM64]

What about the Russians and Greeks that have been there since the late 18th Century? You act as though the majority of the Russians in these regions have only been there since Stalin came on the scene. You are not being intellectually or historically honest.

Isn't that a bit like discussing the origins of the US population? Or are you going the hyphenated nationality route - "we're here, but we aren't one of you"?

 

[LouderVol]

But that's just the normal cycle of the American wars:

Americans wildly cheering to invade a sovereign country over flimsy reasons ----> Americans completely destroying the foreign nation's infrastructure and killing lots of people, mostly civilians ----> The war is still wildly popular with the newsmedia saying victory is at hand, and anyone who doesn't back US involvement is an agent of the foreign government (al Qaeda sympathizer/Putinista/communist/etc.) ---> Our soldiers can't nail down a victory ---> War becomes unpopular ---> Even Americans who called isolationists agents of foreign governments/traitors/terrorists fall off the war bandwagon and pretend they never supported it at all ---> The USA pulls its soldiers out and leaves foreign soldiers to fight the war American soldiers cannot and will not win ---> The fall of Saigon moment

And that's not unique to America. War has always been worst on civilians. Wars usually start with a lot of support, and by the end there is less support.

I really dont get why in a thread about Ukraine and Russia you guys act like America is the only country to do anything seriously bad in the last 10/50/100 years. We arent at war, and the war, or our governments response, hasnt drastically changed anything here at home.

 

[Vol423]

Zelensky Asks for $55 Billion to Cover Budget Deficit and Fund Reconstruction - News From Antiwar.com

How long are we gonna be giving these bums money?

Why doesn’t Zelensky cough up $1 trillion + dollars to cover our budget deficit? He can go to hell.

 

[Velo Vol]

Yes.

 

[volfanhill]

And that's not unique to America. War has always been worst on civilians. Wars usually start with a lot of support, and by the end there is less support.

I really dont get why in a thread about Ukraine and Russia you guys act like America is the only country to do anything seriously bad in the last 10/50/100 years. We arent at war, and the war, or our governments response, hasnt drastically changed anything here at home.

This is where they will falsely pretend to care about our debt. Hell see below your post. Always quiet about spending until it's convenient for them politically. We should be supporting Ukraine. We should Give them nothing. They can buy it .

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Why doesn’t Zelensky cough up $1 trillion + dollars to cover our budget deficit? Go to hell.

He's no different than the guy at the street corner asking for change so he can "buy a meal." Bums will bum.

 

[AM64]

I would love to hear your comments about the people of Palestine and Israel since 1948.

Nomadic or semi-nomadic ne'er-do-wells meeting dedicated nation builders who have actually done something with the place. A lot like evolution - get better or perish. Pretty simple really Palestinians were slackers, and Israelis were doers. BTW, I don't see Russian culture/civilization much better than third world goat herders.

 

[AM64]

It really hinges on these so-called conservatives in here and in Congress. They seem to have an unhealthy fixation with wanting to kill Russians.

That kind of thing happens when Russians have wanted to kill or conquer you for a few decades - just doesn't build a lot of trust, fond memories, or forgiveness.

 

[volfanhill]

He's no different than the guy at the street corner asking for change so he can "buy a meal." Bums will bum.

The guy on the street corner had his neighbor raid his house, rape his family, declare 1/3 of the bedrooms theirs, and threaten to burn the rest of the home down?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

The guy on the street corner had his neighbor raid his house, rape his family, declare 1/3 of the bedrooms theirs, and threaten to burn the rest of the home down?

Maybe, maybe not. All I know is it's not my responsibility to give him financial aid. And it's definitely not within my right to force others to give him money.

Anybody that advocates for sending tax money or military materiel to Ukraine is essentially saying that their fellow Americans should be forced to support the wars of foreign countries. That is immoral and despicable at best.

 

[volfanhill]

Maybe, maybe not. All I know is it's not my responsibility to give him financial aid. And it's definitely not within my right to force others to give him money.

Anybody that advocates for sending tax money or military materiel to Ukraine is essentially saying that their fellow Americans should be forced to support the wars of foreign countries. That is immoral and despicable at best.

I support selling them all they need. Now most of you folks, don't know if you fit this description, just now caring/pretending to care about the debt are laughable .

 

[VolinMichigan]

Maybe, maybe not. All I know is it's not my responsibility to give him financial aid. And it's definitely not within my right to force others to give him money.

Anybody that advocates for sending tax money or military materiel to Ukraine is essentially saying that their fellow Americans should be forced to support the wars of foreign countries. That is immoral and despicable at best.

Why do we send so much military aid to Israel?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I support selling them all they need. Now most of you folks, don't know if you fit this description, just now caring/pretending to care about the debt are laughable .

Do you pretend to care about that debt?

What have we "sold" them to this point?
How many tens of billions of dollars have we given them unconditionally?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Why do we send so much military aid to Israel?

You're asking the wrong person. I don't think we should give them anything either.

 

[volfanhill]

Do you pretend to care about that debt?

What have we "sold" them to this point?
How many tens of billions of dollars have we given them unconditionally?

Did you read what I said? I said I support selling them things. That would obviously show I don't support giving them anything.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Did you read what I said? I said I support selling them things. That would obviously show I don't support giving them anything.

Then why did you reply to my post comparing zelensky to a street corner bum?

That comparison obviously implies that that person giving money receives nothing in return. Just as we will receive nothing in return for all the billions of dollars we've sent to ukraine.

 

[DonjoVol]

Why doesn’t Zelensky cough up $1 trillion + dollars to cover our budget deficit? He can go to hell.

There's no telling how much dirt Zelensky has on our political class. At this point he can pretty much demand anything.

 

[volfanhill]

Then why did you reply to my post comparing zelensky to a street corner bum?

That comparison obviously implies that that person giving money receives nothing in return. Just as we will receive nothing in return for all the billions of dollars we've sent to ukraine.

Bc the street bum isn't the same as Ukraine. That's why. Your analogy was crap. The majority of homeless people aren't homeless bc their neighbor attacked them.

 

[Vol423]

There's no telling how much dirt Zelensky has on our political class. At this point he can pretty much demand anything.

Luckily, I don’t give a damn about our political class. They can accompany him on his journey.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Bc the street bum isn't the same as Ukraine. That's why.

Yet zelensky is begging for money from the international community (and specifically the US) like any common street bum. Im sure some of those guys begging for money on street corners ended up there through no fault of their own. The analogy fits.

 

[AM64]

Then why did you reply to my post comparing zelensky to a street corner bum?

That comparison obviously implies that that person giving money receives nothing in return. Just as we will receive nothing in return for all the billions of dollars we've sent to ukraine.

Ukraine is weakening and destabilizing a terrorist state; they are earning what we send them. We aren't supplying aid for no benefit; and for a change we are reducing a threat without using our own people in the battle.

 

[volfanhill]

Yet zelensky is begging for money from the international community (and specifically the US) like any common street bum. The analogy fits.

But the street bum isn't their bc he was invaded and kicked out of his house. No it doesn't hold. It's dumb. I get why you are against giving them money. Your analogy just sucks.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Ukraine is weakening and destabilizing a terrorist state; they are earning what we send them. We aren't supplying aid for no benefit; and for a change we are reducing a threat without using our own people in the battle.

I don't know if Russia can even be considered a threat. They couldn't even beat Ukraine. In fact, they never got close to defeating Ukraine, even before our corrupt politicians started sending zelensky 10s of billions of dollars and military equipment with no strings attached.